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The Q finished Friday. 34 dogs ran.
1st - #10 "Hailey" H- Mark Smith
2nd - #12 H-Mark Smith
3rd - #8 H- S. Yozamp
4th - #24 H-J. Horsley
RJ - #21 H- R.Stawski
J's - #'s: 7,25,29,35

See EE for complete information on entries and for final results on all stakes.

The first series of the open continued this morning with about 9 dogs left to run (a big land quad).

As an FYI, this trial and Blackhawk are in conflict regarding their distance apart. We hate to think what our numbers might be if we were not in conflict for both of our trials.
 

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Henry V said:
The Q finished Friday. 34 dogs ran.
1st - #10 "Hailey" H- Mark Smith
2nd - #12 H-Mark Smith

See EE for complete information on entries and for final results on all stakes.

The first series of the open continued this morning with about 9 dogs left to run (a big land quad).
Good dogs! That's the way to get those young dogs QAA, two at a time! Congrats to Haile and Rip.

Also, congrats to Jeff Horsley and Drake for the Q 4th place.

Noon Saturday and they are just getting the land blind started, I didn't hear how many dog were called back in the Open from the land quad.

Update 6:45pm Saturday; They finished the Open land blind with 28 called back for the water blind Sunday morning.
 

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Open

Jim Beck
Chris Ledford
Chris Ledford
Dave Rorem

Super duper technical! Open done at 6:00 Sunday night......... :? :shock:

Pat, you and I need to have a talk............. :D Techno Man!!!!

Angie
 

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Derby:
1st- #9 Dora - Yozamp
2nd- #7 Kolt - Rorem
3rd- #2 Wally - Sarek
4th- #14 Oscar
RJ- #17 Ruby - Ledford
J's- #3, #18

Amateur (done at 2:30):
1st- #43 Drake - McIlwain
2nd- #19 Cille - Springer
3rd- #38 Betsy - Belford
4th- #37 Covey - Torvick
RJ- #32 Percy - Bray
J's- #20, #51

The open finished after I left so I am not sure of the numbers. Check EE in the next couple days. Thanks to all participants and judges.
 

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Congrats to Frank & Rita and Steve on the Derby Win with Dora. I think that brings the tally 24 derby points or so. Way to go!
FYI This dog QAA back in June at 20 Months old.
 

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Breck: That gives Dora 41 points!!!! I believe that moves her to the top 3 on the list.

GOOD JOB DORA & STEVE!!!!!!!!
 

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Sure, we can talk Angie.

Super Tech. I guess a matter of Opinion. Tough, yes. Tight yes. Do able, Yes. The last series was the only tight set of marks. The first series was wide open, plenty of room to run, but there was something in each mark and we go answers on every mark.

Done by 6:00...yes, But we as Judges where always ready to go by 7:30 in the morning. Because of the wind direction we were forced to run from the west to the east and we had to wait for the sun to get up higher in order for the dogs to have a chance to see the birds better. Our help was slow to get started and ussually took an hour to hour and a half to get started. Even though we already knew what we were doing. Most of our help was young kids with no trial working experience, had to be tought how to throw birds and so on. Really slowed us down. Our water marks should have been set up in 1/2 hour, took and hour and a half. So becuase of mechanics and getting the help going we lost a good 4 to five hours this weekend. Oh well that is the way it goes....I don't sweat it. Guess I don't know what everybodies hurry is....don't they want to be at a field trial? I had one trialer complain on Friday that the Vikings were planning and they wanted to be watching that......My comment, why are you here? To run a trial or to watch the game...Priorities I guess.

We were also generous in our call backs which meet looking at more dogs. I guess we could have just penciled dogs out and only cared about getting the number of dogs down rather than being less harsh on the judging. But I don't mind judging later to look at a few more dogs either, I never worry about numbers of dogs back for the next series, maybe that is a bad thing.

So there were allot of factors involved in the trial running late. I felt we set up good tests and were fair in our call backs.

So give me a call, we can talk

Pat
 

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Pat- Thanks to you and Roger for judging at the trial, I am sure you would have rather been running your own dogs, working on your new place, etc. There are only a few really dedicated members at Fargo running the entire trial, I think everyone did their best given the circumstances.

I was proud to make it through the marks in my second open, and upset that I screwed up so bad on that second land blind. I was not nervous at all until I lined the first short blind, then suddenly I though, "Oh my gosh, maybe I can make it to the water blind," at which point I watched my dog get horribly off line right up front, my brain was "fuzzy."

So thanks again to the judges and the club for their hard work, I see no need to defend yourself.

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Bye the way Tim congrats on your Am 2nd!!! Awsome!!

I know that Fargo club has very few trial members and relies on help to run the trial. They do a good job of putting the trial on with the little help they have. I wish the club had more active trial members, it would help allot. They do have some boys that have help for a few years in a row now. One Mario throws one heck of a bird. Wish they could keep those boys coming back. Right now they only have a few members running there heads off trying to make things happen...it isn't easy, and always training in new throwers puts stress on everyone when trying to get things going. I have judge up there 3 or 4 times now and love judging on those grounds, they are awsome grounds. I too have won the Am up there twice and a 109 dog open. Actually Dave won the open with my dog while I was Judging the Am with Dave H. a few years back.
 

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There is only one trick that we through at the dogs all weekend and they had to deal with it all weekend :twisted:

My little Geo Metro filled with 13 bags of Purina ProPlan Dog Food sitting behind the line a little ways that the dogs had to walk by all the time as they worked towards the line to run. :lol:
 

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Pat I'm just gigg'n ya..........

You don't have to explain anything to me. Your the judge end of story and I wasn't there.

Now your pro maybe another story........... :lol: :lol:

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I kinda figured that you were just jabbin me out of fun Angie. I just explaining to all out there how things went from our stand point.

I know Dave very very well, and like anybody he don't like to loose!! And either do I.

Dave had 3 dogs sitting very well going into the last series and when you have trouble it is frusterating. Dave had his take on what was happening and why the dogs did the crazy things the did. And other people had there take on it too. Nobody really knows what goes on in the dogs head at times. But 2 of those dogs for some reason screwed up the go bird bad and that put them in a bad spot for the long retired on that side. And like I said everyone has there reasons to why they did it.

I don't recall if your dog was back in the last series since I don't pay attention to which dog is which most of the time while Judging. But I pick up on it when Dave sends them by their name. I think Jimmy was back for the last series and if I am correct he had a good test going accept for the last bird......it was a tough one to get a line too only 2 dogs got a line to it really really good and the rest ended up there in a round about way if I recall. The first place dog and Norm, the jam dog got that bird perfect. Unfortunately Norm ended up missing the go bird......then going deep, hunting in no mans land and almost getting the long retired (could possibly been called a switch, gray area) and then coming back in to get the go bird. That screwed up is line to that retired bird bad. So he had 2 really bad birds in the last series. Otherwise I think he would have been in contention with the first place dog.
 

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I think, I will jump in on this one also, since I was the other Open judge. I think Pat's response was very accurate. We had demanding, but fair tests. Callbacks were very fair. Our 1st series maybe did not give us as much and we would have liked, so we called back 48 out of 80 dogs. With a good tough set of land blinds we were able to call back 28 to the water blind. With a major percentage of the dogs bleeding from the 1st two series we were able to call back 13 back to the water marks after a tough but fair water blind. Pat and I both like to give the dogs that are in the last series a chance to make up ground if they need to or stay on top with a good last series. I personally do not like a last series where I am not able to make up ground if I am bleeding coming into it. I like to look at the last series and say I have a good chance of getting one of those nice colored ribbons if my dog goes out and does a nice job on the test. One dog did our last series almost perfect, two did it with hunts, and two did it with a gorilla hunt or two. I also do not mind staying to judge until 6:00 pm on Sunday nite if that is what it takes to pput on a good trial.

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I also might add that I don think the 4th series water marks were that technical. It did take a dog that was a great marker and some guts to go and get the birds with straight lines. The 4th series was also a dog in good physical condition since there were plenty of ins and outs involved. We have to remember that not every day at the race track may not be as successful as the last one. We just have to buckle up and go back at it it next weekend.
 

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You guys crack me up!!!! Like I said you don't have to explain a thing! I was just having fun with you two.

Ya, Pat,,,,,,,, Jimi went out on the last bird..... *sigh*! We'll be point chasing til the end again.....

All I was look'n for was a weeee little break from fellow clients that hail from the same camp.

Tell you what! When I go amateur and start judging FT I'll be darn sure to take darn good care of you fellas if you ever run under me.

Now I am Teasing you again... Just wanna make that clear.... Here I'll add smiley faces.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Fellas,

You do realize "someone" put me up to posting about your tests??? :wink:

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I don't know any of the participates/judges in this trial. Nor do I know any of the folks posting on this thread BUT I have really enjoyed hearing the judges perspective of their planning, coordinating and judging decisions. Thank you for explaining your thoughts, rationale and decision processing. That's stuff that's educational and interesting to me. My opinion, this thread has been positive. There did not appear to me to be any accusations nor defensiveness. Frank discussion is good!!! Thanks, HPW
 

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HarryWilliams said:
I don't know any of the participates/judges in this trial. Nor do I know any of the folks posting on this thread BUT I have really enjoyed hearing the judges perspective of their planning, coordinating and judging decisions. Thank you for explaining your thoughts, rationale and decision processing. That's stuff that's educational and interesting to me. My opinion, this thread has been positive. There did not appear to me to be any accusations nor defensiveness. Frank discussion is good!!! Thanks, HPW
Pretty much ditto 100%.
 

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Pat and I both like to give the dogs that are in the last series a chance to make up ground if they need to or stay on top with a good last series. I personally do not like a last series where I am not able to make up ground if I am bleeding coming into it. I like to look at the last series and say I have a good chance of getting one of those nice colored ribbons if my dog goes out and does a nice job on the test.

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Gentlemen

Some comments

1) I prefer trials where the AA judges start with their pedal to the metal and keep it that way until the end. That way, when it is all said and done, there are not nine people who think they are winners ... First place stands head and shoulders above the rest.

2) Like you, I like going into a tough fourth series knowing that I have a chance to bring home the blue, no matter what the work in my three previous series was.

3) Anyone who has judged or put on trials know how difficult it can be to keep the trains running on time - it sounds like you did a great job with the hand you were dealt

Finally, Could you provide a little more detail on your water marks?

Ted
 
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