[duckdawg27]

This past weekend I was having a discussion with a new AKC HT judge about something that happened a while back. About a year ago I was dropped from a senior test after running a blind. My dog was sitting at the blind stake and I told him to "fetch it" and he did. I was promptly dropped. The judge dropped me at the line (didn't wait for callback). He explained to me that "fetch it" was not on the list of approved commands This new judge also swears that it is a prohibitted command in the rule book. If someone knows of any specific reference to commands that you cannot use while running blinds please speak up. (as opposed to telling your dog to "hunt it up" and then just realeasing him to find a blind) like you might do during a real hunting situation.

 

[Guest]

This past weekend I was having a discussion with a new AKC HT judge about something that happened a while back. About a year ago I was dropped from a senior test after running a blind. My dog was sitting at the blind stake and I told him to "fetch it" and he did. I was promptly dropped. The judge dropped me at the line (didn't wait for callback). He explained to me that "fetch it" was not on the list of approved commands This new judge also swears that it is a prohibitted command in the rule book. If someone knows of any specific reference to commands that you cannot use while running blinds please speak up. (as opposed to telling your dog to "hunt it up" and then just realeasing him to find a blind) like you might do during a real hunting situation.

Read the rulebook... There's nothing in it about ANY list of commands.

The only thing you could have been LEGALLY dropped for is the dog's "unwillingness" to pick up the bird and it would normally have to be pretty blatant or happen in more than a single instance.

There is no "list of approved commands", although that's a pretty entertaining way he put it. Must have had his own rulebook???

Sounds like 2-3 people that need to sit down and take a gander at the real rules... This is the silliest thing I've heard in a long time!!

-K

 

[Gun_Dog2002]

Got a name, we got a bus warmed up...

/Paul

 

[duckster]

I'm not sure that there'd be a list...but, I have heard people say GOOD.

 

[K G]

He explained to me that "fetch it" was not on the list of approved commands This new judge also swears that it is a prohibitted command in the rule book.

Heaven help us................................. :roll:

Several Ron White-isms come to mind regards,

kg

 

[Jerry]

In my calm, mild, demeanor, I would have just told them they didn't know what the f*rk they were talking about.

That is total stupidity on the Judge's part. Now that rant is over, see the following.

It is YOUR responsibility to inform the Judges of a screw-up if you know you're right!!!

NEVER be afraid or reluctant to say "YOU screwed up and here are the rules and regulations to prove it!!!!"

Just make sure you know what you are talking about.

Jerry

 

[okvet]

I don't know how many times I've seen sr dogs drop a bird at the line and then were instructed by their owner to "fetch it up" (and this includes me). I have never heard of this and have never seen a dog dropped for a handler commanding "fetch"

 

[Tim Carrion]

Even I would not DQ this one for this non-recast! :roll: :roll:

Tim

 

[lablover]

What Kristie said.
What K G said about Rom White isms!

Add this jerk judge to your list to NOT run under again. Ask him to show you where in the book saying "fetch" is illegal. It isn't there!!!

He was just trying to drop dogs with these actions.

 

[Ken Newcomb]

I got dumped at an AKC Sr for a fetch-it-up. Live and learn and run HRC. :lol:

 

[FOM]

I got dropped for saying "no" in a Juniors (non-intimidating, was a rule made up by the judge) I waited until the end and asked to speak with the judge via the marshall refused to talk to me and then his co-judge said they wouldn't f dropped me, but......

FOM

 

[Udder Brudder]

FOM,

After talking to some people from your great state this past winter.

It appears the word no is illegal there. HAHA.
Some people need to get a life...Hope to see you there at Pikes Peak in a week....Udder Brudder

 

[duckdawg27]

Believe me I have READ the rule book and many, many things are left so wide open to interpretation that I wanted to see if I was missing something.
Yes this judge and his co-judge are on my "do not run under" list. It was the hardest blind I have ever completed and I thought my dog did great.
But now I have heard this same thing from several that know more than I about AKC rules and I just thought it was too wierd not to ask for opinions.
I do run HRC and the dog is already HR. I have been told you can't tell your dog "No" at least 2 times and I don't know where they keep coming up with this stuff. However, I do see that the rule book says that a judges decision is final. I intentionally did not name names. Although complaining about judges is one of my favorite pastimes I have started judging myself in HRC and out of respect for the good judges and the club that ran the test I will keep that to myself. 5 or 6 out of 50+ dogs qualified. The official response from the AKC was that the judge was in the right and could drop me at will.

 

[George C. Tull]

Just getting into it myself.....figure I'll butt heads with them soon enough. :wink: I saw him run & thought he done great! As far as I'm concerned....Brody is a force to be reckoned with!! :wink: We'll see more of him!!

 

[FOM]

FOM,

After talking to some people from your great state this past winter.

It appears the word no is illegal there. HAHA.
Some people need to get a life...Hope to see you there at Pikes Peak in a week....Udder Brudder

I'll only be there for Friday, running the Qual only.....if you are around stop by and say hello, would love to put a face to another RTFer name!

Yeah don't say "No" here in Colorado - I ran the test in NM, but the judge was from here......and yes this judge is not only on my list for making up rules, but for the pure fact he didn't have a pair to even talk to me, I at least waited until after the stake was over vs. making a scene at the line....

Lainee

 

[John Gassner]

In AKC, there is this thing called a judges affirmation letter or form that ALL judges must sign before they judge each event. It says that the signing judge agrees that he/she is currently familiar with the rules and will abide by them.

When a judge says that the "rules say" this or that......(and they don't), I think I would let the judge(s) and the committee know.

I regret once not following my own advice in a Junior stake once in KC.


John

 

[larrynogaj]

commands

Upstate NY a couple of years ago. I was having trouble getting my dog to complete a delivery. It was one of those "she's never done that before" scenarios. The judge immediately recognized the situation and said to me, "If 'no' is in your vocabulary, feel free to use it." I appreciated that, though I didn't use it. Just goes to show ya.