[Kevin Nickelson]

10 mo cml on day two of ff. I don't know if this is normal or not but as soon as I started to just touch ear to collar tang (without any pressure at all) he would try to jump at training dummy brefore commanded . I would have to hold him back. Yesterday he was reaching at about the 5th ff. Today I did several ff without pressure and no problem there. Then I added pressure to a couple for re-enforcement. Two or three without, couple with.
I'm following Fowl Dogs. I really didn't expect the reaction he had on day two. My last lab was a block head.

Comments appreciated
Thanks.

 

[Wayne Nutt]

Sometimes this happens. It would be great if you could post a video. Hank (by Pirate) was that way. But, maybe Howard will jump in here. Howard told me that on about day X, it would cease being fun and he would start resisting. I think Howard said day 9 but it happened at day 6 or 7 with Hank. It happened after I had Hank on the ground doing walking ff. I had to start applying pressure again and we worked through it in a day or so.

See post #12 for Howard's comments which were right on, just off by a couple of days.

http://www.retrievertraining.net/forums/showthread.php?t=76510

 

[GG]

if your dog wants to make it easy for you--dont fight it!!!!!!
goodluck
GG

 

[Peter G Lippert]

I have only FF two dogs myself but I think GG has got it right. I think he is saying "i get it, if I grab the bumper I can escape the pressure and I know it is good when I hod on to it." Isn't this what we are after?

 

[Kevin Nickelson]

Day three later today. I don't want to rush through ff even he gets it. Was really surprised by his reactions. My last ff was about 13 years ago. Gonna take my time and try to do it right. I'm sure I'll be asking for advise further down the line.

 

[Don Thomsen]

Archer, a word of caution here. You may have a very good con artist. By that, I mean a dog that can con you into believing he has learned to turn off the pressure. Be prepared to increase the pressure by slow degrees for a dog like this. Many, many trainers will tell you that a dog that is quite difficult to ff, turns out the best. Not trying to be negative, just giving you something to consider. good luck

 

[Kevin Nickelson]

Thanks for the advise.....

 

[LESTER LANGLEY]

This probably won't make sense, but here are my thoughts.


There is a distinct difference in

Today-----I WANT TO grab that bumper because he's going for my ear. An Idea.

and


A few days from now--- I HAVE to grab that bumper, WHEN I hear the COMMAND or he is GOING TO get my ear. A Compulsion.

Either way, reaching out on day 2 is a good thing, just don't move through it too fast or you'll be revisiting it in the future. Also, try to never remove your fingers from his ear the whole time. That asks him to respond to your command, as opposed to your movement toward his ear. I do this by putting my pinky and ring finger under his flat collar, pointer and thumb on ear, bumper in the other hand. They never come out, the entire session.