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I have a CLF that recently completed her HRCH title (7 straight passes) and has her SH (5 for 5). I plan on running Master in the fall. What are the major differences between Finished and Master that I need to prepare for? Any advice appreciated.

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Biggest thing is no talking to your dog once you call for the birds!

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AKC Master won't be as lenient about handling on marks.

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I've been to only one UKC so I'm no expert, but I can tell you the marks will be much more technically complex. Your blinds can be a real ball buster too. Your dog has to be pretty educated for AKC. Look at it this way.... If your dog can run a qualfiying it can run Master.

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Hi.You will enjoy the way that your dog will be able to see the marks thrown for her.Though more technical.....AKC marks will come out slower,and you will have time to swing and see the flier or go bird if there is a big swing envolved.You probably noticed that from running senior.Good luck
 

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It won't be nearly as "busy" at the line (which can be a big plus), but it will be a little longer and more technical in the field (which will require a few set-up adjustments).

After 7-7 in HRC through Finished and 5-5 in AKC Senior, you will do just fine in Master tests. Have fun. 8)
 

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I don't know about HRC, but the jump from senior to master you'll need to train for technical/longer blinds and keeping the line to the blind tighter than in senior.
 

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Two major differences with the Master are, much more emphasis on control while running blinds and your dog will have to mark the bird, not just the area of the fall.
Even a quick handle in the area of the fall will ding you. In most cases if you handle, even quick handles, on two or more marks, you are toast.
Challenging the blind, keeping the dog on a straight line to the blind and no more than 3 whistle slips or cast refusal are a must for Master blind work.
Probably as big as anything, you can not talk to your dog, once you call for the bird until you are released to send your pup. That means you have to wait for the judges to release your dog, not like HRC where you send on your own once the bird is on the ground, but you have already seen this in Senior.
You also will run a third series. In Master you have Land, Water and a Land/Water combo.
Good luck with the Master
 

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Tiger12 said:
I have a CLF that recently completed her HRCH title (7 straight passes) and has her SH (5 for 5). I plan on running Master in the fall. What are the major differences between Finished and Master that I need to prepare for? Any advice appreciated.
Going 7 for 7 in Finished and 5 for 5 in Senior, you should be in pretty good shape. Note that there are far more similarities than there are differences between Finished and Master. That said, the biggest differences are:

(a) No talking to the dog on the line after you call for the birds (you should be used to this as you have run Senior).

(b) wait to send your dog until after the judge calls your number (again, same as in Senior).

(c) Master marks tend to be tighter, and you are far more likely to see things "interrupt" the marks. Ie. a diversion after 1st bird, have to run the blind first after seeing the marks, etc.

(d) HRC has a philosophy of "it's ok to handle on a mark if the dog is hunting the area of the fall". You could conceivably handle on all 6 marks in an HRC finished test and still pass. AKC does not follow this philosophy ... unless circumstances are really odd, you pretty much only get to handle on 1 mark for the entire test.
 

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CNBarnes said:
Tiger12 said:
I have a CLF that recently completed her HRCH title (7 straight passes) and has her SH (5 for 5). I plan on running Master in the fall. What are the major differences between Finished and Master that I need to prepare for? Any advice appreciated.
Going 7 for 7 in Finished and 5 for 5 in Senior, you should be in pretty good shape. Note that there are far more similarities than there are differences between Finished and Master. That said, the biggest differences are:

(a) No talking to the dog on the line after you call for the birds (you should be used to this as you have run Senior).

(b) wait to send your dog until after the judge calls your number (again, same as in Senior).

(c) Master marks tend to be tighter, and you are far more likely to see things "interrupt" the marks. Ie. a diversion after 1st bird, have to run the blind first after seeing the marks, etc.

(d) HRC has a philosophy of "it's ok to handle on a mark if the dog is hunting the area of the fall". You could conceivably handle on all 6 marks in an HRC finished test and still pass. AKC does not follow this philosophy ... unless circumstances are really odd, you pretty much only get to handle on 1 mark for the entire test.
Excuse me??????

Biggest difference--try no flyers (that's nada aviacionista in Texican) in HRC as breaking birds or wipeout mark.

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crackerd said:
Excuse me??????

Biggest difference--try no flyers (that's nada aviacionista in Texican) in HRC as breaking birds or wipeout mark.

Actually, HRC Finished tests can have flyers - it's just that most choose not to. I chaired a test where we over bought birds, so we offered the judges the opportunity to shoot a flyer. One group did it; the other group didn't.


But honestly, I see WAY more "in your face" birds in HRC tests than in AKC tests.
 

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First, congratulations on your accomplishments to date! :) What everyone has said is correct, no talking once you give judges signal you are ready, wait for send from judges, but no one mentioned the duck calls in the field in AKC whereas in UKC there are no calls in the field., plus your honoring hunting partner isn't calling or shooting with you as in UKC.
 
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