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From: Dallas South News.
Story By R. Lamar Brooks, Photos by Byron Watters

Florida pretty much dominated a series of recent high school football games against Texas, winning 5 of 6 contests with three games being blowouts. The Abilene/Cocoa and Skyline/Glades Central games could have gone either way. And of course, the lone victory for Texas belonged to DeSoto in what DeSoto Head Coach Claude Mathis termed the “best high school football game I have ever been a part of.”
Upon further examination, the top teams in the lower classifications in Florida are capable of beating the larger classifications in Texas. An example of that was 2A Florida defending champs Cocoa knocking off Texas 5A kingpin Abilene and recently beating defending Mississippi 6A champs Olive Branch, 14-7. This is generally unthinkable in Texas, outside of 7-on-7 football.
As an aside, Florida has 8 classifications all the way up to 6A with Texas having 5 classifications through 5A (though the UIL governing body for Texas High Schools is leaning towards a 6A class soon).
In the Dallas South News Monster Game of the Week, Dallas Madison took on Miami Central as part of the Texas vs. Florida football showcase at DeSoto’s Ben Dial Athletic Complex. Madison Head Coach Ronald Johnson Described the game as as “a test for our players to see where they stand.”

Madison showed fight throughout, with it being evident that their skill position players including Eric Horsley, Jamon Brewers, and Marquise Smith can compete with any opponent in any classification. Overall, however, the 6A powerhouse, Miami Central team was just too strong of a challenger.
As is the trend in high school football these days, Central lines up 4 wide nearly every play and forces you to either put pressure on and sack the quarterback or succumb to their dizzying array of playmakers, who simply spread the field and…well….make plays. By the end of the 1st half, Miami Central had racked up 395 yards of offense and 23 first downs to Madison’s 173 yards of total offense.

The 2nd half would not be any kinder to Madison as their offense could only muster an additional 43 yards against the hard charging, speedy Central defense. In the end, Central would show a balanced attack with 28 runs and 25 passes for 508 yards of total offense to Madison’s 216.
DeSoto’s game against defending state champs Miramar was all that the event promoter C&B National Sports Marketing could have hoped for. Miramar’s defensive back Tracy Howard said “I can’t remember a game like this.”
DeSoto landed the first punch with a scintillating 86-yard opening kickoff return from the excellent Dontre Wilson, a sophomore whom will leave his mark on the DeSoto program for years to come. And just like that 7-0, DeSoto . Down 21-7 at the half, Miramar found their stride in the 2nd half and played what the team termed “Patriot football” to keep DeSoto from salting the game away.
Tied 35-35 going into overtime, DeSoto completed a 20-yard touchdown to WR DeMarcus Thompson from QB Ryan Polite to go up 42-35. Now with pressure squarely on their offense, Miramar’s WR Danel Harris scored on a 25-yard pass from QB Cameron Hudge on the team’s first play in overtime to creep to within a point, 42-41.
Coach Damon Cogdell had a decision to make and he opted to go for the jugular, lining up for a two point conversion. Central attempted a pass into the back of the end zone that was caught albeit out of bounds. And with that, DeSoto could finally exhale as they proved to be the one local team in the Texas vs. Florida series of games to overcome Florida’s penchant for winning on Texas soil in 2010.
 

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must be something about Texas football, or else you wouldnt have schools like Oregon recruiting their QB,RB and other key players from a market they never tapped

the current projected # 1 pick Andrew Luck played HS ball in Texas

the current Heisman trophy winner RGIII played his HS ball in CenTex

Drew Brees is from AUSTIN WESTLAKE HS

even the mighty SEC recruits in Texas...the current projected starting QB at Colorado transferred from UT

Ryan Tannehill may be the 3rd QB taken in the draft....and he went to Texas A&M
 

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Texas easily. Florida might put out comparable talent, but kids from Texas come in ready to play the college game. High school football in Texas is on a completely different level than anything in Florida.
 

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Texas easily. Florida might put out comparable talent, but kids from Texas come in ready to play the college game. High school football in Texas is on a completely different level than anything in Florida.
You OK? I think you may have bumped your head.

THE SEC dominates the BCS.....Florida feeds more kids into the SEC than any other State........Nuff Said.

Now....Being a UGA Fan....I personally hate the place.

Bruz
 

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High school football in Texas is on a completely different level than anything in Florida.
Technically correct statement for there are upper and lower levels. De La Salle found that out as well. . Head to head Florida teams win 5 out of 6. Three of those games were blow outs, all won by Florida. Abliene, bigger school than Cocoa, should of won easily, Florida school wins. Denison same size as Florida team, Florida team blows them out 53-17. Madison vs Miami Central, Miami much bigger school should of won easily and did 48-6. Skyline much bigger than Glades Central, should of won easily. But didn't, another Florida win. Skyline plays another Florida team. Skyline twice the size of the Florida team St. Thomas Aq. Should of won easily. Florida team blows them out 31-3. If that isn't dominate enough here's the kicker. Texas top tier schools are 5A, they didn't play the top tier schools in Florida. In Florida those are 7A and 8A.

 

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They play high school football games in April? No wonder the kids from Texas were losing the majority of the games, they didn't even know it was football season.
 

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No one has mentioned the main flaw here....ranking.

You've got the #2 and #8 5A teams here. Granted there is a classification disparity but regardless it's not a fair comparison both in terms of rankings and classification.

Denison was 3-7 last year
Madison was 3-7 last year
Skyline was 14-1 and lost to the eventual state champs in the quarters last year, but unranked this year.

If you're going to make a proclamation of who is the best, you have to pit the best teams right?
 

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When it comes to HS football players in the NFL check where the pro bowlers went.
On another note from the two schools in my hometown (Daytona Beach, FL) the following: Erice Weems WR and Pro Bowl Kickoff returner for the Falcons now Bears, Sebastian Janikowski Oakland, Buster Davis Patriots LB and all american at FSU. Numerous College players. Pretty talented 2 schools and big rivalry.

http://www.maxpreps.com/news/QKr1yh...-nfl-pro-bowl-players-went-to-high-school.htm
 

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http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/sh...s-California-and-Texas-produce?urn=nfl-272416

Also note relative to population Florida produces more NFL players than any other state.
wrong there buddy. its louisiana. the DEEP south. how else can you explain les miles winning? because it obviously isnt the coaching:p

in fact it says it in that article you posted

"The most impressive showing is by Louisiana, which ranked 25th in total population but has the sixth-most high school players in the NFL. The Pelican State has the highest per-capita rate of NFL players (1 in 65,720) followed by Mississippi (1 in 76,883) and Hawaii (1 in 80,769). By comparison, California's rate is 1 in 175,163. "
 

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They are both powerhouses... end of story!
 

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Technically correct statement for there are upper and lower levels. De La Salle found that out as well. . Head to head Florida teams win 5 out of 6. Three of those games were blow outs, all won by Florida. Abliene, bigger school than Cocoa, should of won easily, Florida school wins. Denison same size as Florida team, Florida team blows them out 53-17. Madison vs Miami Central, Miami much bigger school should of won easily and did 48-6. Skyline much bigger than Glades Central, should of won easily. But didn't, another Florida win. Skyline plays another Florida team. Skyline twice the size of the Florida team St. Thomas Aq. Should of won easily. Florida team blows them out 31-3. If that isn't dominate enough here's the kicker. Texas top tier schools are 5A, they didn't play the top tier schools in Florida. In Florida those are 7A and 8A.



That chart doesn't prove anything other than the best teams in Florida are better than bad teams in Texas. If we go off evenly matched games then it is 1-1. I have no doubt if you get TX schools like Southlake, Westlake, Katy, Trinity, Allen, etc and matched them up with unranked schools in FL then the chart would be pro Texas.

Also every state has different ways to classify 1a-5 or 6a. By Tx standards the Abilene vs Cocoa game would be 5a vs 4a. It is possible for a top ranked 4a in TX to play a close game and even win vs a top ranked 5a.

The next problem we have is private vs. public schools. St. Thomas is a football factory that is picking their players.

Also the argument of more pro players come from FL only proves FL has more pro players. The number of pros from your state does not indicate how good your football programs are as a whole. 99.9% of the kids that make your state have quality football will never play pro ball and many won't even play college but the contribute in big ways on Friday nights.
 

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No one has mentioned the main flaw here....ranking.
Abilene Ranked #2 in the top tier Texas 5A. #2 in all of Texas. And they got beat by a 2A Florida school. Which is even more impressive considering the top tier in Florida is 8A. Apples to apples would be Top Texas 5A playing a top Florida 8A. Given what happen when they played a 2A team, they would be out classed and blown out by 8A.
 

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If you go by high school national championships it is a wash.
Since 1992 Florida has 4 HSNC Texas has 4 HSNC. Both states have 10 total HSNC. In the top 100 rankings Florida has 11 schools and Texas has 10 (Keep in mind there are more high schools in Texas, than in Florida). In college recruiting see below map. Florida pulls close to as many college players as Texas but we have a third of the number of players to pull from. Also Texas pulls from 5 major areas. Florida pulls from 8. All of that to say the following. Florida has a higher number of college level players in more concentrated areas. Therefore a higher number of college level players on each team. Florida produces more college level and NFL players. They also have produced an equal or better National HS record pulling from less schools and less players.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/specialprojects/sports/starsearch/#intmap
 

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Abilene Ranked #2 in the top tier Texas 5A. #2 in all of Texas. And they got beat by a 2A Florida school. Which is even more impressive considering the top tier in Florida is 8A. Apples to apples would be Top Texas 5A playing a top Florida 8A. Given what happen when they played a 2A team, they would be out classed and blown out by 8A.
Well there ya go, it is written in stone.

Florida High School football is better than Texas football because a top ranked 2A Florida team beat a top ranked Texas 5A team in one game.
 

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Anyone on RTF coach on any of the high school levels in either of the states???
I believe that zoning of athletes within the 2 states are quite a bit different. VERY spread out in Texas. Florida seems to have their consistent "powerhouses" year in/year out. Texas has their's too, but year after year you see several surprise programs pop up.

Having been a Texas High school football coach for nearly 30 yrs, I've been fortunate to meet many recruiters over the years. Having the crazy job as video coordinator for 15 of those years, I have personally dealt with many of the Big Time programs/coaches across the country from the SEC ( of which I am a huge fan!!!), Big 12, Big 10, and Pac 10, and have been told by coaches of the likes of Pete Carrol, Mack Brown, Charlie Weiss, and Urban Meyer, just to name a few, that there is not a state in the country that, from top to bottom, small class to large, that plays a better brand of football than Texas. Both states produce LOTS of D-1 prospects every year that play in BCS conferences while producing many NFL draftees. You can do the math all you want, but still tough to decide. Too many variables!!!

Just a thought. Could the 10th thru 30th ranked teams in Florida consistently beat the 10th thru 30th ranked teams in Texas, or vise versa? I believe that there are a lot more big schools in Texas, along with several more districts that have been watered down as well. So, it's very tough to say which is "better".
 

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Florida has better HS football than anyone.

No one is even close to the SEC in college football.

There is no harder FT circuit than Texas in the winter or Minnesota in the Summer.

Therefore, everyone not in the three aformentioned groups might as well not even make an attempt.

****COUGH****BULL$HIT****COUGH****
 

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Anyone on RTF coach on any of the high school levels in either of the states???
I believe that zoning of athletes within the 2 states are quite a bit different. VERY spread out in Texas. Florida seems to have their consistent "powerhouses" year in/year out. Texas has their's too, but year after year you see several surprise programs pop up.

Having been a Texas High school football coach for nearly 30 yrs, I've been fortunate to meet many recruiters over the years. Having the crazy job as video coordinator for 15 of those years, I have personally dealt with many of the Big Time programs/coaches across the country from the SEC ( of which I am a huge fan!!!), Big 12, Big 10, and Pac 10, and have been told by coaches of the likes of Pete Carrol, Mack Brown, Charlie Weiss, and Urban Meyer, just to name a few, that there is not a state in the country that, from top to bottom, small class to large, that plays a better brand of football than Texas. Both states produce LOTS of D-1 prospects every year that play in BCS conferences while producing many NFL draftees. You can do the math all you want, but still tough to decide. Too many variables!!!

Just a thought. Could the 10th thru 30th ranked teams in Florida consistently beat the 10th thru 30th ranked teams in Texas, or vise versa? I believe that there are a lot more big schools in Texas, along with several more districts that have been watered down as well. So, it's very tough to say which is "better".
ok David, who is the best HS Texas Schoolboy player you have ever seen...or even your Top 5...

for me it was Billy Sims ...never got to see Earl in high school...also thought Jack Mildren was a heck of a player...Todd Dodge was one heck of a QB at Port Arthur Jefferson
 

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NFL 2001-2011 1st round picks by state. Raw numbers, keep in mind Florida has about 3/4 the population of Texas.
Florida 51
California 31
Texas 23

NFL 2001-2011 all rounds pick by state.
California 232
Florida 224
Texas 185
USA Today

STATES WITH MOST NFL PLAYERS PER CAPITA

StatePopulation *NFL PlayersNFL Players Per Capita
Louisiana-4,468,97668, 1 NFL per 65,720 people
Mississippi-2,844,65837, 1 NFL per 76,883 people
Hawaii-1,211,53715, 1 NFL per 80,769 people
District of Columbia-572,0597, 1 NFL per 81,723 people
South Carolina-4,012,01246, 1 NFL per 87,218 people
Alabama-4,447,10050, 1 NFL per 88,942 people
Florida-15,982,378177, 1 NFL per 90,296 people
Georgia-8,186,45380, 1 NFL per 102,331 people
Texas-20,851,820180, 1 NFL per 115,843 people
Montana-902,1957, 1 NFL per 128,885 people
 
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