Florida vs Texas High School Football- What State Has the Better Football? GDG

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Losthwy

Discussion Starter · Apr 18, 2012 (Edited)

From: Dallas South News.
Story By R. Lamar Brooks, Photos by Byron Watters

Florida pretty much dominated a series of recent high school football games against Texas, winning 5 of 6 contests with three games being blowouts. The Abilene/Cocoa and Skyline/Glades Central games could have gone either way. And of course, the lone victory for Texas belonged to DeSoto in what DeSoto Head Coach Claude Mathis termed the “best high school football game I have ever been a part of.”
Upon further examination, the top teams in the lower classifications in Florida are capable of beating the larger classifications in Texas. An example of that was 2A Florida defending champs Cocoa knocking off Texas 5A kingpin Abilene and recently beating defending Mississippi 6A champs Olive Branch, 14-7. This is generally unthinkable in Texas, outside of 7-on-7 football.
As an aside, Florida has 8 classifications all the way up to 6A with Texas having 5 classifications through 5A (though the UIL governing body for Texas High Schools is leaning towards a 6A class soon).
In the Dallas South News Monster Game of the Week, Dallas Madison took on Miami Central as part of the Texas vs. Florida football showcase at DeSoto’s Ben Dial Athletic Complex. Madison Head Coach Ronald Johnson Described the game as as “a test for our players to see where they stand.”

Madison showed fight throughout, with it being evident that their skill position players including Eric Horsley, Jamon Brewers, and Marquise Smith can compete with any opponent in any classification. Overall, however, the 6A powerhouse, Miami Central team was just too strong of a challenger.
As is the trend in high school football these days, Central lines up 4 wide nearly every play and forces you to either put pressure on and sack the quarterback or succumb to their dizzying array of playmakers, who simply spread the field and…well….make plays. By the end of the 1st half, Miami Central had racked up 395 yards of offense and 23 first downs to Madison’s 173 yards of total offense.

The 2nd half would not be any kinder to Madison as their offense could only muster an additional 43 yards against the hard charging, speedy Central defense. In the end, Central would show a balanced attack with 28 runs and 25 passes for 508 yards of total offense to Madison’s 216.
DeSoto’s game against defending state champs Miramar was all that the event promoter C&B National Sports Marketing could have hoped for. Miramar’s defensive back Tracy Howard said “I can’t remember a game like this.”
DeSoto landed the first punch with a scintillating 86-yard opening kickoff return from the excellent Dontre Wilson, a sophomore whom will leave his mark on the DeSoto program for years to come. And just like that 7-0, DeSoto . Down 21-7 at the half, Miramar found their stride in the 2nd half and played what the team termed “Patriot football” to keep DeSoto from salting the game away.
Tied 35-35 going into overtime, DeSoto completed a 20-yard touchdown to WR DeMarcus Thompson from QB Ryan Polite to go up 42-35. Now with pressure squarely on their offense, Miramar’s WR Danel Harris scored on a 25-yard pass from QB Cameron Hudge on the team’s first play in overtime to creep to within a point, 42-41.
Coach Damon Cogdell had a decision to make and he opted to go for the jugular, lining up for a two point conversion. Central attempted a pass into the back of the end zone that was caught albeit out of bounds. And with that, DeSoto could finally exhale as they proved to be the one local team in the Texas vs. Florida series of games to overcome Florida’s penchant for winning on Texas soil in 2010.

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Losthwy

Discussion Starter · #5 · Apr 18, 2012 (Edited)

Josiah Greene said:
High school football in Texas is on a completely different level than anything in Florida.

Technically correct statement for there are upper and lower levels. De La Salle found that out as well. . Head to head Florida teams win 5 out of 6. Three of those games were blow outs, all won by Florida. Abliene, bigger school than Cocoa, should of won easily, Florida school wins. Denison same size as Florida team, Florida team blows them out 53-17. Madison vs Miami Central, Miami much bigger school should of won easily and did 48-6. Skyline much bigger than Glades Central, should of won easily. But didn't, another Florida win. Skyline plays another Florida team. Skyline twice the size of the Florida team St. Thomas Aq. Should of won easily. Florida team blows them out 31-3. If that isn't dominate enough here's the kicker. Texas top tier schools are 5A, they didn't play the top tier schools in Florida. In Florida those are 7A and 8A.

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Losthwy

Discussion Starter · #14 · Apr 18, 2012

Cowtown said:
No one has mentioned the main flaw here....ranking.

Abilene Ranked #2 in the top tier Texas 5A. #2 in all of Texas. And they got beat by a 2A Florida school. Which is even more impressive considering the top tier in Florida is 8A. Apples to apples would be Top Texas 5A playing a top Florida 8A. Given what happen when they played a 2A team, they would be out classed and blown out by 8A.

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Losthwy

Discussion Starter · #20 · Apr 19, 2012 (Edited)

NFL 2001-2011 1st round picks by state. Raw numbers, keep in mind Florida has about 3/4 the population of Texas.
Florida 51
California 31
Texas 23

NFL 2001-2011 all rounds pick by state.
California 232
Florida 224
Texas 185
USA Today

STATES WITH MOST NFL PLAYERS PER CAPITA

StatePopulation *NFL PlayersNFL Players Per Capita
Louisiana-4,468,97668, 1 NFL per 65,720 people
Mississippi-2,844,65837, 1 NFL per 76,883 people
Hawaii-1,211,53715, 1 NFL per 80,769 people
District of Columbia-572,0597, 1 NFL per 81,723 people
South Carolina-4,012,01246, 1 NFL per 87,218 people
Alabama-4,447,10050, 1 NFL per 88,942 people
Florida-15,982,378177, 1 NFL per 90,296 people
Georgia-8,186,45380, 1 NFL per 102,331 people
Texas-20,851,820180, 1 NFL per 115,843 people
Montana-902,1957, 1 NFL per 128,885 people

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Losthwy

Discussion Starter · #21 · Apr 19, 2012 (Edited)

David Maddox said:
been told by coaches of the likes of Pete Carrol, Mack Brown, Charlie Weiss, and Urban Meyer, just to name a few, that there is not a state in the country that, from top to bottom, small class to large, that plays a better brand of football than Texas.

Reminds of a story Barry Switzer had. How he told his driver to drive around back of a recruit's house, dug through the trash, found a lot of Pearl beer empties in the can. Went inside and when asked if he like a beer he said,"only if it's Pearl in a can". Told the father that's all he and his staff drinks. Father laughed, signed the kid. Don't think maybe they were sweet talkin ya, just a little? ;-)

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Losthwy

Discussion Starter · #28 · Apr 19, 2012

Cowtown said:
Wasn't the subject high school football? You now want to change the topic to which state has more NFL draft picks?

LOL

That train was going off track on Post #2. I've read many excuses, difference of classifications, they weren't rank this year, Texas watered down, etc.
The best should play the best. The best 5A teams should come to Florida and play the best 8A teams. But it won't happen for the Texas coachs/AD aren't stupid. They know they couldn't compete against the best Florida has to offer.

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Losthwy

Discussion Starter · #31 · Apr 20, 2012 (Edited)

BonMallari said:
there are also two programs no one wants to play and they have more Div 1A players than some states....Concord DeLaSalle ...

Maybe that holds true for Texas teams, can't blame them. Not true for Florida teams. Florida teams have played DeLaSalle twice. Beat them the first time in a close game and their much celebrated win streak came to an end. In the second game DeLaSalle got blown out 30-6.

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Losthwy

Discussion Starter · #34 · Apr 20, 2012 (Edited)

Head to head competition is the real measure. Yeah Texas throws a lot of money into facilities, stadiums, big staffs. But they get beat 5 of 6, blown out in three of them, they duck schools like De La Salle, Florida 7A and 8A, so on and so on. Bricks don't win games. I have yet to see see ONE real measure that Florida football is surpassed by Texas. Not one. And won't, because Florida has the best high school football in the country, Texas is #2. Everything points to Florida as tops. Texas has "Friday Night Lights", but in the Sunshine State it's lights out.

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Losthwy

Discussion Starter · #37 · Apr 20, 2012

Josiah Greene said:
Florida has 6 programs that are lights out...big deal.

Texas has 161,200 players in the state -- Florida has 38,000

Florida has some of the top athletes in the country that's not to be denied. Texas sent 345 to D-I football
Florida sent 344 to D-I (but like I said, it'd be interesting to know how many of these kids red-shirt -- willing to put money on the fact that less Texas kids red shirt than Florida kids -- they go to the college game more prepared)

By shear volume alone Florida can't compete with the number of quality D-II athletes in the state. The depth of the programs in Texas is what makes Texas football better -- if you matched up every team in Florida with a team a comparable team in Texas, I bet Texas wins the head to head record in a landslide. There's few schools with the budgets to do such a thing, but aside from a few programs in Florida -- Texas runs away with it.

Thanks for the D-1 numbers doesn't surprise me. Just like the NFL numbers Florida out paces Texas per capita once again. They prove the quality of players in Florida is higher. Any way you slice it Florida football is tops, Texas comes in at a respectable second. If you think your the best, prove it on the field. Florida has.

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Losthwy

Discussion Starter · #41 · Apr 21, 2012

Is the best argument now for Texas football is to speculate on red shirts? Nobody keeps stats on that, know why? Nobody cares. You're blowing smoke. Couldn't make a case with NFL stats, then there was D-1 stats. Same thing. Now it's more back peddling to D-2 and we got a greater total number players? Still more smoke. If that is the strongest case for Texas football? Then a reality check is in order.

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Losthwy

Discussion Starter · #43 · Apr 21, 2012 (Edited)

Josiah Greene said:
If you want to take your on the surface view of Florida/Texas football and think Florida is better then by all means go for it. Start digging and you'll see that a more quality game is played in the state of Texas, which is what your OP asks. "Which state has better football??" --- The answer to that question is easily Texas.

Your original question has nothing to do with who puts out more/better talent --- who has more teams in the national top 10. Those statistics are going to vary from year to year. When you take a step back and look at the complete body of work and history. You want to evaluate the top level talent in Florida and completely ignore the middle and bottom talent then you aren't doing a true evaluation. That's like saying that the Jeep with the really nice paint job is a better jeep than the primer colored one sitting in the garage not even taking into consideration that the Jeep with the nice paint job has rust spots and mechanical issues that you can't see.

Texas is tops and there really is no competition.

Really? You offer your opinion that Texas has better football but offer zero evidence of that. "Texas is tops and really is no competition". But the facts speak otherwise. "No competition" beat "easily Texas" 5 out of 6 and blew them out in three. "No competition" also beat California's best De La Salle-twice, second time in a blow out. What did "easily Texas" teams do? Has "easily Texas" played De La Salle like Florida has what's the story there? Jeeps, steps back, history, paint jobs? Baloney. Where's the beef?

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