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Florida vs Texas High School Football- What State Has the Better Football? GDG

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From: Dallas South News.
Story By R. Lamar Brooks, Photos by Byron Watters

Florida pretty much dominated a series of recent high school football games against Texas, winning 5 of 6 contests with three games being blowouts. The Abilene/Cocoa and Skyline/Glades Central games could have gone either way. And of course, the lone victory for Texas belonged to DeSoto in what DeSoto Head Coach Claude Mathis termed the “best high school football game I have ever been a part of.”
Upon further examination, the top teams in the lower classifications in Florida are capable of beating the larger classifications in Texas. An example of that was 2A Florida defending champs Cocoa knocking off Texas 5A kingpin Abilene and recently beating defending Mississippi 6A champs Olive Branch, 14-7. This is generally unthinkable in Texas, outside of 7-on-7 football.
As an aside, Florida has 8 classifications all the way up to 6A with Texas having 5 classifications through 5A (though the UIL governing body for Texas High Schools is leaning towards a 6A class soon).
In the Dallas South News Monster Game of the Week, Dallas Madison took on Miami Central as part of the Texas vs. Florida football showcase at DeSoto’s Ben Dial Athletic Complex. Madison Head Coach Ronald Johnson Described the game as as “a test for our players to see where they stand.”

Madison showed fight throughout, with it being evident that their skill position players including Eric Horsley, Jamon Brewers, and Marquise Smith can compete with any opponent in any classification. Overall, however, the 6A powerhouse, Miami Central team was just too strong of a challenger.
As is the trend in high school football these days, Central lines up 4 wide nearly every play and forces you to either put pressure on and sack the quarterback or succumb to their dizzying array of playmakers, who simply spread the field and…well….make plays. By the end of the 1st half, Miami Central had racked up 395 yards of offense and 23 first downs to Madison’s 173 yards of total offense.

The 2nd half would not be any kinder to Madison as their offense could only muster an additional 43 yards against the hard charging, speedy Central defense. In the end, Central would show a balanced attack with 28 runs and 25 passes for 508 yards of total offense to Madison’s 216.
DeSoto’s game against defending state champs Miramar was all that the event promoter C&B National Sports Marketing could have hoped for. Miramar’s defensive back Tracy Howard said “I can’t remember a game like this.”
DeSoto landed the first punch with a scintillating 86-yard opening kickoff return from the excellent Dontre Wilson, a sophomore whom will leave his mark on the DeSoto program for years to come. And just like that 7-0, DeSoto . Down 21-7 at the half, Miramar found their stride in the 2nd half and played what the team termed “Patriot football” to keep DeSoto from salting the game away.
Tied 35-35 going into overtime, DeSoto completed a 20-yard touchdown to WR DeMarcus Thompson from QB Ryan Polite to go up 42-35. Now with pressure squarely on their offense, Miramar’s WR Danel Harris scored on a 25-yard pass from QB Cameron Hudge on the team’s first play in overtime to creep to within a point, 42-41.
Coach Damon Cogdell had a decision to make and he opted to go for the jugular, lining up for a two point conversion. Central attempted a pass into the back of the end zone that was caught albeit out of bounds. And with that, DeSoto could finally exhale as they proved to be the one local team in the Texas vs. Florida series of games to overcome Florida’s penchant for winning on Texas soil in 2010.
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Is the best argument now for Texas football is to speculate on red shirts? Nobody keeps stats on that, know why? Nobody cares. You're blowing smoke. Couldn't make a case with NFL stats, then there was D-1 stats. Same thing. Now it's more back peddling to D-2 and we got a greater total number players? Still more smoke. If that is the strongest case for Texas football? Then a reality check is in order.
Is the best argument now for Texas football is to speculate on red shirts? Nobody keeps stats on that, know why? Nobody cares. You're blowing smoke. Couldn't make a case with NFL stats, then there was D-1 stats. Same thing. Now it's more back peddling to D-2 and we got a greater total number players? Still more smoke. If that is the strongest case for Texas football? Then a reality check is in order.
If you want to take your on the surface view of Florida/Texas football and think Florida is better then by all means go for it. Start digging and you'll see that a more quality game is played in the state of Texas, which is what your OP asks. "Which state has better football??" --- The answer to that question is easily Texas.

Your original question has nothing to do with who puts out more/better talent --- who has more teams in the national top 10. Those statistics are going to vary from year to year. When you take a step back and look at the complete body of work and history, it's a different ball game. You want to evaluate the top level talent in Florida and completely ignore the middle and bottom talent then you aren't doing a true evaluation. That's like saying that the Jeep with the really nice paint job is a better jeep than the primer colored one sitting in the garage not even taking into consideration that the Jeep with the nice paint job has rust spots and mechanical issues that you can't see.

Texas is tops and there really is no competition.

Texas = more players = more talent (whether elite, good, or average), better coaching, better facilities, better fans, better history, better football
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If you want to take your on the surface view of Florida/Texas football and think Florida is better then by all means go for it. Start digging and you'll see that a more quality game is played in the state of Texas, which is what your OP asks. "Which state has better football??" --- The answer to that question is easily Texas.

Your original question has nothing to do with who puts out more/better talent --- who has more teams in the national top 10. Those statistics are going to vary from year to year. When you take a step back and look at the complete body of work and history. You want to evaluate the top level talent in Florida and completely ignore the middle and bottom talent then you aren't doing a true evaluation. That's like saying that the Jeep with the really nice paint job is a better jeep than the primer colored one sitting in the garage not even taking into consideration that the Jeep with the nice paint job has rust spots and mechanical issues that you can't see.

Texas is tops and there really is no competition.
Really? You offer your opinion that Texas has better football but offer zero evidence of that. "Texas is tops and really is no competition". But the facts speak otherwise. "No competition" beat "easily Texas" 5 out of 6 and blew them out in three. "No competition" also beat California's best De La Salle-twice, second time in a blow out. What did "easily Texas" teams do? Has "easily Texas" played De La Salle like Florida has what's the story there? Jeeps, steps back, history, paint jobs? Baloney. Where's the beef?
Really? You offer your opinion that Texas has better football but offer zero evidence of that. "Texas is tops and really is no competition". But the facts speak otherwise. "No competition" beat "easily Texas" 5 out of 6 and blew them out in three. "No competition" also beat California's best De La Salle-twice, second time in a blow out. What did "easily Texas" teams do? Has "easily Texas" played De La Salle like Florida has what's the story there? Jeeps, steps back, history, paint jobs? Baloney. Where's the beef?
Again your talking about your paint job. I don't care what 5 teams in Florida are capable of doing. Those 5 teams aren't Florida High School football just like the 5 Texas teams they played aren't Texas High School football.

If you want to make an argument that Florida has more elite teams than Texas right now then you have a pretty good case. However, like I said that's a fluid statistic. Next year, those same teams could play and maybe Texas wins 5 of 6, or they split them --- either way it doesn't matter. As whole, Texas High School football is better than Florida because they have the money, the coaching, the fans, and the players-- simple as that. You get a more quality game week in and week out in the state of Texas than you do in the state of Florida.

Though I think its funny you're basing your argument off the fact that Florida's top teams are beating teams that are unranked in the state of Texas. I guess you have somewhat of a case with Abilene going down, but Any Given Friday a team can go down. 1 game is even worse a stat to use than these 6 games you've presented.
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NFL 2001-2011 1st round picks by state. Raw numbers, keep in mind Florida has about 3/4 the population of Texas.
Florida 51
California 31
Texas 23

NFL 2001-2011 all rounds pick by state.
California 232
Florida 224
Texas 185
USA Today

STATES WITH MOST NFL PLAYERS PER CAPITA

StatePopulation *NFL PlayersNFL Players Per Capita

Florida-15,982,378177, 1 NFL per 90,296 people

Texas-20,851,820180, 1 NFL per 115,843 people
America Somia 28 NFL Players per 65,000 people, how about them apples?. :D
Send a Florida team to beat Allen, Katy, Southlake Carrol or Euless Trinity at the 5A level or Denton Ryan, Lake Travis at 4A -- Those are certainly good Texas teams that Florida played, but they're definitely not the best. None of them even won the state championship, I dont believe.


5 of the top 20 players in the draft this year are from the state of Texas...Luck, Griffin, Tannehill, Wright, Brockers
NFL 2001-2011 1st round picks by state. Raw numbers, keep in mind Florida has about 3/4 the population of Texas.
Florida 51
California 31
Texas 23

NFL 2001-2011 all rounds pick by state.
California 232
Florida 224
Texas 185
USA Today

STATES WITH MOST NFL PLAYERS PER CAPITA

StatePopulation *NFL PlayersNFL Players Per Capita
Louisiana-4,468,97668, 1 NFL per 65,720 people
Mississippi-2,844,65837, 1 NFL per 76,883 people
Hawaii-1,211,53715, 1 NFL per 80,769 people
District of Columbia-572,0597, 1 NFL per 81,723 people
South Carolina-4,012,01246, 1 NFL per 87,218 people
Alabama-4,447,10050, 1 NFL per 88,942 people
Florida-15,982,378177, 1 NFL per 90,296 people
Georgia-8,186,45380, 1 NFL per 102,331 people
Texas-20,851,820180, 1 NFL per 115,843 people
Montana-902,1957, 1 NFL per 128,885 people
Well, there ya go!

Texas has better High School teams.
Florida has better college teams.
Louisiana has a better NFL team than Texas and Florida combined!;-)
Texas folks, I am open to seeing your point of view. Please provide any facts to support your argument (facts not opinions).

Again your talking about your paint job. I don't care what 5 teams in Florida are capable of doing. Those 5 teams aren't Florida High School football just like the 5 Texas teams they played aren't Texas High School football.

If you want to make an argument that Florida has more elite teams than Texas right now then you have a pretty good case. However, like I said that's a fluid statistic. Next year, those same teams could play and maybe Texas wins 5 of 6, or they split them --- either way it doesn't matter. As whole, Texas High School football is better than Florida because they have the money, the coaching, the fans, and the players-- simple as that. You get a more quality game week in and week out in the state of Texas than you do in the state of Florida.

Though I think its funny you're basing your argument off the fact that Florida's top teams are beating teams that are unranked in the state of Texas. I guess you have somewhat of a case with Abilene going down, but Any Given Friday a team can go down. 1 game is even worse a stat to use than these 6 games you've presented.
Robbie
Just curious to what kind of facts you're looking for here. I can tell you that I work with several coaches that have coached in OK, KS, MO, LA, & FL. They've either chosen to return to TX or found their way here ASATC. 2 are former college coaches/recruiters. One had a stint at aTm, the other at Texas State (a smaller school). All say that Texas is more consistent from classes 1A to big 5A as for as the technical aspect of the game is concerned. Now that is just their take on the subject. Not my "opinion".

Watching the spread teams from CA & FL, the "skilled" players stand out and dominate the system. Not too many of their OLs putting their hands down.
Watch some of the big Midwest HS teams that run the "I" primarily, you notice more of a refined power zone/power scheme with some ctr added in to the system.
It's very difficult to come to a conclusion of who plays the "best" football. We typically see the best of the best. What about the teams that are ranked from say #3-#25 in each of the respective states. Big schools get the TV coverage. TONS of D1 kids from small 1 2,and 3A Texas schools that we never see or hear about come out every year. Same goes for fantastic football producing states like GA, AL, PA, and so on.

I'm an "I" guy. Run the ball to throw. I am from Texas, love the SEC, but rarely miss a U of Wisconsin game if they're being broadcast. I watch hundreds of hours of football. Will start spring training Monday, for 4 weeks, and back to watching videos in early July. I enjoy watching the high schools from other regions of the country. Of course I have the opportunity to see tons of high school games, hear HS and college coaches from all over the country at clinics, and even answer questions myself, mostly about our approach to OL play. HS football has been my livelyhood for 30 yrs, and I can tell you that this post/debate will never be won or settled. Especially on a retriever forum.
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from the NFL draft

NFL draft picks by HS alma mater; TX 32, FL 31, CA 26, OH 18, GA 13, NC 10, MI 9." Always fun to add facts to a discussion
from the NFL draft

NFL draft picks by HS alma mater; TX 32, FL 31, CA 26, OH 18, GA 13, NC 10, MI 9." Always fun to add facts to a discussion
While you do post facts, they are irrelevant to the OP's question of which state has better high school football.
from the NFL draft

NFL draft picks by HS alma mater; TX 32, FL 31, CA 26, OH 18, GA 13, NC 10, MI 9." Always fun to add facts to a discussion
Hopefully without hijacking this thread, if more draft picks from Texas high schools means Texas high school football is the best, then one would have to assume that more draft picks from SEC schools means that SEC football is the best college football, no?

Per the Houston Chronicle, SEC 42 (including 8 of first 16 picks), B1G whatever 41, ACC 31, Big 12(10) 25.
Hopefully without hijacking this thread, if more draft picks from Texas high schools means Texas high school football is the best, then one would have to assume that more draft picks from SEC schools means that SEC football is the best college football, no?

Per the Houston Chronicle, SEC 42 (including 8 of first 16 picks), B1G whatever 41, ACC 31, Big 12(10) 25.
Maybe they just pay better!!??!!??:cool:
Whatever it is it seems to be working.

And don't I recall a certain
B1G whatever powerhouse finally getting a bowl win over an SEC team under some sketchy circumstances?

And isn't it somewhat ironic that said team just hired a former SEC coach, who has already caused all manner of weeping, wailing, and gnashing of teeth from the other coaches in the league?
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