[AmiableLabs]

For Your Consideration: RETRIEVER HALL OF FAME NOMINEE (Updated)

"All members of the retriever fraternity have the privilege of nominating up to two dogs (must be deceased) and two people (living or deceased) to the Retriever Hall of Fame.

"NOMINATING DOGS: Evaluate Records of performance in the field and as a sire/dam. . . .

"Please submit information, records, etc., on each nominee you choose. . . .Information submitted shall be your own opinion and not that of others. Reproductions of nominations of others will not be accepted.

"Return to RHOF - 121 Main St. - Boise, ID 83702 PRIOR to June 30, 2007"

I nominate (and for your consideration) --

FC-NAFC Rebel Chief of Heber
(FC-AFC Paha Sapa Chief II x FC-AFC Penny Girl)
AKC Reg. #SA-82627 birthdate 12/25/1960
owners Mr. & Mrs. Gus Rathert
breeder Frank Miller

Campaigned for 6 years by Amateur Owner-Handler
173 Total All-Age points
88 Open AA points (avg. 15/yr), 85 Amateur AA points (avg. 14/yr)
10 Open Wins, 12 Amateur Wins

Qualified for 5 Consecutive National Opens (competed in 4)
Finalist two times
Average Series Completed - 7

Qualified for 6 Consecutive National Amateurs (competed in 4)
Winner once - 1965
Average Series Completed - 6.3

Two Doubleheaders -- Lassen RC 2/65, No. Cal. RTC 3/67

 

[AmiableLabs]

No comments?

Do you consider those HoF numbers?

I am currently researching his role as a sire. But I don't think he was ever bred. :?

I would also like to know if he was Amateur-trained?

I was looking though the old RFTNs and one comment associated with the dog was "stylish."

 

[Richard Halstead]

For people I am nominating Joe Schomer and also voting for Hugh Arthur. And for dogs Iam thinking Hawkeye's Dandy a national finalist 1993, 1997 and the National Amateur 1992, 1994, 1995, 1998. I haven't decided on the other.

 

[MRGD]

I would nominate SHR Muddy River Jake's Cami........

Well, maybe that's a little premature.


Wishful thinking regards

 

[junbe]

Two people who should have been the original two people inducted into the Retriever Hall of Fame are still missing from the list. These two gentlemen brought the popularity of both field trials and Labradors to the United States. Their established kennels are legendary in the retriever world. Also the game stewards they brought from Scotland made the sport what it is in the 1930’s.

First, W. Averall Harriman of Arden Kennel. The Honorable Mr. Harriman brought Tom Briggs and James Cowie as his game stewards, had several places in the first field trial in 1931, and the first Labrador field champion. He had 3 estates at which licensed field trials were held. One was Arden which is south of West Point on the Hudson River just north of New York City. The second was Sands Point on Long Island. The third was at Sun Valley in Idaho, a little settlement he developed off his railroad. One dog of fame everybody has heard of which he bred was dual champion, three times national champion Shed of Arden.

The second gentleman is Jay F. Carlisle of Wingan Kennel. Mr. Carlisle imported many Labradors in the 1930’s and his dogs were dominant both on the bench and in the field. His game steward he brought from Scotland was David Elliot (who is in the Hall of Fame). Two early field trials were dedicated to Mr. Carlisle. In 1938 the Jay F. Carlisle Memorial Trial at East Islip, Long Island, New York and the second memorial trial at Sands Point, New York in 1939. At Wingan Kennel Kathleen Star got her start in field trials in training Labradors. She probably is better known as Mrs. Fredericks of Timbertown Kennel fame.

To read about the beginnings I would refer you to a book, “Legends in Labradors” by Nancy Martin.


Jack

 

[AmiableLabs]

Harriman and Carlisle are not in?!?! :shock: That is not right! :evil:

The LRC itself said that Carlisle was singly the person most responsible for the success and popularity of the breed in the US!

He was also responsible for bringing the "Grey Fox" Dave Elliot from Scotland over here to run his kennel. Elliot was the closest thing there ever was to a real "dog whisperer." It was Elliot that introduced handling to field trials.

Is Elliot in the HoF?

 

[EdA]

I would also like to know if he was Amateur-trained?."

his owner Gus Rathert was a client and friend of Rex Carr, it was a pleasure for me to meet him at the 1991 National Championship Stake which was dedicated to Rex, many former clients and friends came to the dinner including Willie Mays 8)

He was by all accounts a wonderful dog and very worth of HOF status

Harriman not in?!?! :shock: That is not right! :evil:

I nominated him myself several times but it seems those who vote for the HOF sometimes forget history, there are many serious omissions in the RHOF and a number od inductees who have no business being there.

Other obvious omissions Mike Flannery (NAFC-FC River Oaks Corky) and John Trzepacz (both previously nominated by me)

 

[AmiableLabs]

Other obvious omissions Mike Flannery (NAFC-FC River Oaks Corky) and John Trzepacz (both previously nominated by me)

Joe Pilar said he would never accept any recognition until after John was recognized.

By the way Ed, I look forward to meeting you in person this weekend at American Am.

 

[AmiableLabs]

This thread is from last year.

I have it on good authority Chief will finally be nominated this year!!!

 

[JMoore]

Don't know how many of you know John Thomas, but I think that he is a good candidate. At 81 years young he is still running dogs and very competitive. He has done alot for the sport on the east coast and is always willing to help when needed.

 

[Jason Brion]

I nominate FC/AFC Blackwater Rudy.

Showed that he was a great performer and producer. What else could anyone ask for?

 

[gracie]

I also can't believe Avril Harriman is not in the HOF. His Arden line was magnificent and lives on.

 

[BonMallari]

Lets see 173 All Age points and 22 wins enough said HOF...( non steroid era )


Wasnt W. Averil Harriman a US ambassador also under either the Nixon administration ?

 

[jeff t.]

Wasnt W. Averil Harriman a US ambassador also under either the Nixon administration ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Averell_Harriman

 

[Miriam Wade]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Averell_Harriman

Why isn't there any mention of Arden kennels or anything retriever related at all?
FYI-Fred Kampo/Carolyn McCreesh's "The History of Retriever Field Trials in America" gives an overview of Harriman's contributions & great pics from that era.

I spoke with someone while at the National Am who had known Dave Elliot quite well. Of all the people I wished I could have met...

M

 

[lablover]

Shouldn't FC/AFC Creek Robber be nominated?

 

[YardleyLabs]

Shouldn't FC/AFC Creek Robber be nominated?

Not while he's still alive.

 

[Brandoned]

Danny Farmer, he has trained many FC/AFC’s and finished the national more than anyone in history by a long shot.

Lanse Brown, has over 1100 AA points in his career and has finished both nationals numerous times.

FC AFC HRCH GMHR Day’s End Hillview Super Sue MH attained every title (I believe) possible a dog could get. Execpt the Grand Tittle.
She also won a gold medal at the ESPN Great Outdoor Games and was also nominated for an ESPN ESPY award.
Sue also only had one litter of puppies 6 of them if I remember correctly. Of the 6, 1 NAFC, 4 FC’s and 1 MH.

 

[HiRollerlabs]

I nominate Carl Ruffalo.

Carl has been training and competing Labrador retrievers since 1962.

Has qualified for 13 Nationals/National Amateurs, trained and handled 4 FC AFCs and 2 AFCs.

Member of the “Double Header Club” in 1982 by winning an Open and Amateur at the same trial.

Trained/handled Lucky, FC AFC E-Lynn’s Super Strike Lucky, who was a 3-time National and 2-time National Amateur finalist and is in the Retriever Hall of Fame with 234 all-age points.

AKC Delegate for the Minnesota Field Trial Association Retriever Club and charter member for the Snowbird and Watopa Retriever Clubs.

Active member, including Officer and Field Trial Chairman, for 3 other clubs. Assisted 2 new clubs, Chippewa Valley and Muddy Waters Retriever Clubs that hosted their first field trials in 2006 and spring of 2007.

Nationally, was the Field Trial Chairman for the National Amateur Retriever Championship in 1981 and a past president of the National Amateur Retriever Club.

Judging-- has judged over 100 All-Age stakes. Judged at the 1978 National Amateur, and was voted judge of the year by the Professional Retriever Trainer Association in 1975.

Mentor to new retriever trainers/handlers. Carl has the patience and enthusiasm to teach us (every day) how to train our dogs. We are fortunate to have great grounds for training. However, we live a 3-hour roundtrip from the WI grounds. So, we leave Rochester at 6:30 a.m. in order to start training at 8 a.m. 2 days a week and are a 2-hour roundtrip from the Watopa grounds.

Carl just turned 77 a couple of weeks ago and continues to accept judging assignments. This spring he and Lorri Oliver judged an Open with over 90 dogs at Central MN Retriever Club. Carl said, "I don't care how many dogs there are, they deserve a marking test." He and Lorri put up a great land quad that took over 15 hours to complete. I don't know how he does it. I'm wiped out after judging a derby/qual!

I have been campaigning Carl in the tri-state area, and would really appreciate your support. I know Carl would be so honored to be inducted into the Retriever Hall of Fame. Thanks. Ann

 

[SD Lab]

I nominate FC-AFC Lonestar J.R. II