You confused with a AKC Pointer Hunt Test? Because when I was planting birds on horseback there was not a bird shot until one dog had a call back and got to do a 20 yard retrieve at the end of the day outside of the 30 minute brace. Early in the day, one dog is on top right of this frame on point with one backing. No birds were shot until the very end of the day.Paul, in AKC they do if there is a bird field and not just a flush on the back course. It will be listed in the premium. I ran and owned GSP trial dogs before labs. It was/is a requirement to retrieve to hand. I FFd ALL my GSP.
Sheesh, what knappy dog owners know.
Hmmmm?..Now there is Interesting!? For me . I gotta ask 'why'? Programmes are now Breed Specific? huh?I wouldn't send them to a retriever trainer unless that person has a lot of pointing dog experience. They will not do well with the force and typical retriever program as a general rule. I'm sure some guy will say they do but, there is a reason only maybe one or two GSP's came out of the woodwork and passed a couple hunt tests beyond JH last year. If someone is successful at pointer and retriever hunt tests I might consider it. GSP's and pointing dogs in general as not forgiving and will shut down with pressure. ("most" professional retriever trainers use pressure and force fetch based systems for training because its faster and more effective for retrievers)
Less emphasis on a pointer for man-made abilities in my opinion. While a dog might look like a natural running a blind it never, ever would have done it all by itself. Would it chase a lowflying, injured duck? Absolutely. I guess that assumption is that you'd be working the dog for the purpose it was intended. Can a lab be trained as a Schutzhund dog? I'm certain it could be and I'm sure guys could train a German Shepard to be a retriever. The programs are developed by people who are experts with the breed they train. I think a person would have to use different techniques and tailor the programs to fit the dog. This doesn't widely apply to Lab folks. Lets face it, Labs are the most popular and most successful dogs because they're generic. Pull it further apart by retriever breeds. There are trainers successful with labs who couldn't train a Chesapeake to fetch a cheese burger from a paper bag. They've made many a lab but, never a Chessie. Said trainers even tried with many. Their training program didn't fit the breed.Hmmmm?..Now there is Interesting!? For me . I gotta ask 'why'? Programmes are now Breed Specific? huh?
One reason is, as I told your abrasive S'African matey, only pointing dog handlers sing to their dogs in trials. So they have to get with the Gene Autry program, or programme, on that score.:wink:Hmmmm?..gotta ask 'why'? Programmes are now Breed Specific? huh?
thanks matt, thats exactly what im wanting to do with my dogs, just retrieve ducks out of a set of decoys. now after i get them back from training, i plan on training them to be docks dogs, i think that will be a fun activity for me and my dogs to particite in.I had one in training last summer that is primarily an upland dog, but he did single marks surprisingly well. Went hard, ran straight and marked well. He came to me because his owner was having trouble getting him to pick up birds. I FF'd him and he did great. Like any dog, I adjusted my process to his temperament. He's picked up a ton of doves, a few ducks and a bunch of pheasant and quail since then. Nice dog. That said, I haven't tried to put him through the whole program to get him running blinds, so I can't speak to that. I have a friend back in Florida who runs shorthairs in HRC hunt tests and does well. I like his dogs a lot.
I have another GSP that just got here for evaluation. We'll see how she works out.
Like I told her owner, I have done retrieving work on pointing breeds, but I am NOT a pointing dog trainer. I'm a retriever trainer.
The point to all this is there are some that will make nice retrievers and some that probably will not. If I were planning on running upper level retriever hunt tests, I would start with a different breed. If I were looking for a pointing dog that could pick up ducks out of the decoys in milder weather, I might go with a GSP.
There are quite a few folks who train around here that have GSP's that love swimming and fetching in the water. Will do it all day. I didn't mean my dialog to be discouraging in any way. I just would never pick a retriever trainer to experiment with their retriever training on your pointing dog.thanks matt, thats exactly what im wanting to do with my dogs, just retrieve ducks out of a set of decoys. now after i get them back from training, i plan on training them to be docks dogs, i think that will be a fun activity for me and my dogs to particite in.