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I posted this over on another board a couple of weeks ago and got one response (good advice, but always open for more) so I'm hoping for some more input.

Just a little background - This is my third Lab pup, now 19 weeks old. My first was not a hunting dog, had little retrieving desire, and was a great pet for 15 years. I did get her to be a good upland dog, she would handle some, and retrieve anything that had feathers. Otherwise, fetch was not in her. My second was a great little FT pup that was only with us for a few weeks last summer from the age of 12 to 18 weeks. Amazing little dog with incredible desire, had her running doubles, playing baseball, simple blinds, and 100 yd singles under control at that young age. Show her once and she got it. Unfortunately, she had a cancer tumor and went back to the breeder. And then there is this one out of FT and HT background. At 19 weeks she has "forgotten" everything from obedience training I've given her since 9 weeks and it coincides with the spring time emergence of animal droppings. So here goes:

One problem with living in the perfect spot to raise a retriever is having up to 100 geese on your front lawn from April to November. They're out on the ice right now and will be on the lawn as soon as the snow melts. Any suggestions on how to prevent pup from eating the tootsie rolls they leave behind? Is this something an e-collar would help? I plan to get a collar later and get some help in the proper use, but wonder if this might be a case for getting it now. Pup is only 4 months old right now, so probably too early? She certainly knows "No!", but also knows the value of putting distance between us to get away with non-compliance. The same yard full of goose poop is also the yard and beach where we train, so getting this through her head is a big deal for me. I'm not a vet, but I can't imagine eating goose droppings is good for a dog and it sure doesn't make you want a kiss!

Any suggestions are appreciated.
 

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Goose poop - why is it so tasty to a dog?

Probably the same reason that cat, cow, horse, sheep, goat, deer, rabbit, and raccoon poop are :wink: .....maybe bear and moose too, don't have them around here

but what they truly love is newborn calf poop :shock:

for dogs the filet of poop :wink:
 

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The best advice I can give you is mebe try it your ownself to satisfy your curiousity!

Anytime I can help regards!

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Gooser,

Did you just tell that guy to "Eat $#!T"???

That's no way to treat a newbie!

Can't believe I held you in such high regard regards,
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Did you just tell that guy to "Eat $#!T"???
I believe he did! :wink:
That's no way to treat a newbie!
No sweat, I've got thick skin.

My main question was - any suggestions to get pup to stop or at least put it down in her priority list of things to grab. Right now there is no training going on because of all the distractions. Doesn't matter if its fox, deer, rabbit, duck, or goose, we've got it all and I'm at the end of my rope trying to figure a way around it.
 

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Well, welcome to RTF and thanks for having a thick skin.

Whether you want to consider it puppy filet, canine bon-bons, or just a plain distraction, it's a reality for you. Might as well make lemonade out of lemons, or nutritious goose juice out of lawn chalk.

It really comes down to basic obedience. Here means here, sit means sit. For a while, you will need to use a lead and stick close, to enforce what you want. You may want to start gun conditioning now and see if you can't blast some geese off the lawn to cut down on the debris.

Fact is, the collar is merely a tool and it does not take the place of soundly laid foundational basic obedience.

I'd suggest that if you go with an e collar, you take a look at today's most successfully applied programs, which include Mike Lardy's material without a doubt. I also hear great things about SmartWorks, although I've not personally reviewed the material myself.

Chris, who did his first formal obedience class in 1977 and is following for the first time, Mike Lardy's material word for word in 2007! Good stuff!
 

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Well BTBrown,
My older Chesapeake is a hard core poop gobbler! I have been unable to stop her for 8 years. Any species, any condition. The Canada Goose droppings are a favorite. Usually if at work retrieving she will run over them. But if given free time she will eat all she can. And if you yell no she always get one last gobble in. At 4 months I would just follow your normal flow chart and collar condition when it is time. Until then maybe get a rake?
Ken Bora
ps- how close to Vermont are you?
 

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goose pop

You might find this worth giving a try. Canada geese tend to not crawl under things or hop over them. Try stringing a length of line around your perimeter about a foot above the ground. Use stakes or whatever pounded into the ground to serve as your "fence posts." Put some snaps on the line along the beach area so you can quickly remove them when you need to. Should keep your visitors to a minimum.
 

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Re: goose pop

larrynogaj said:
You might find this worth giving a try. Canada geese tend to not crawl under things or hop over them. Try stringing a length of line around your perimeter about a foot above the ground. Use stakes or whatever pounded into the ground to serve as your "fence posts." Put some snaps on the line along the beach area so you can quickly remove them when you need to. Should keep your visitors to a minimum.
Then when you trip over the line and land face first into said goose dung, you could try out the Gooser's suggestion.

Couldn't resist regards,

Larry
 

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Sounds like I'll just have to live with it for now. All her obedience has gone right down the drain in the past two weeks. I can't do any training whatsoever without her on a leash or check cord, and starting two days ago, can't do any retrieving outside because of all the animal droppings. I think it may be a Perfect Storm of her hitting a stubborn teenage phase at the same time the snow has melted and all the droppings becoming distractions. 4 weeks ago (at 15 weeks old), I had a dog that could be trained off leash, would sit on command at any range better than 90% of the time, would stay, and if an incentive such as a sliver of hotdog was offered, come from any distance. Retrieving was getting better each day as well. She doesn't have a lot of drive yet.

I wouldn't dare try a collar without some help, planning on joining a club to get to some training sessions. Also get her around some working dogs so she can see what the game is.

I am so frustated with this dog right now that I am ready to give up on her, at least for a while. Even her house manners have taken a huge step backwards. I think a short break will do us both some good until she comes around. I started some fairly harsh discipline with a crack on the butt with a thin rope (I don't have a heeling stick) for the NO! commands on the poop, and sharp snaps on the collar or leash and rough handling for sit, stay, come. But quickly realized that was also taking us backwards, so we just go on pleasure walks on leash for a week or so.

We've tried the lines, fences, etc. Only works during the molt. At least they are good training aids for getting her steady. As far as getting rid of the geese, popping a few is not an option. I work for the environmental regulating agency in my state, so any removal would be more than just a fine, it would probably be my job!! Within two or three weeks, we will have between 50 and 100 on the front yard at any given time.

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Well, welcome to RTF and thanks for having a thick skin
Thanks! Not so much thick skin as having a sense of humor.
ps- how close to Vermont are you?
I'm about 2 hours west of VT. Checking on local clubs, I am about the same distance to Hudson Highlands, Leatherstocking, and Champlain RC, all about 2 1/2 hours.
 

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I'm about 2 hours west of VT. Checking on local clubs, I am about the same distance to Hudson Highlands, Leatherstocking, and Champlain RC, all about 2 1/2 hours.
Nice! You will be able to run lots of tests with ease, when you are ready. Consider driving east to Alburgh, Vt. May 5th or 6th and say hi. We will be running a NAHRA field test. My clubs web - http://www.lcrcvt.org/index.html
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Geez Ken - let the guy settle in a bit before you go pitching your club - besides your too late - I've already got the LHRA hooks into him months ago.

Actually I had a similar problem with 'deer delectables'. After the dog was CC'd I de-pooped her by letting her go after a pile and hitting her when the first tasty morsel hit her tongue. Took about 2 lessons and now she avoids it like the plague.

As far as keeping them off the lawn to begin with - I've been told that taking a goose dokken and laying it out to simulate a dead bird works.

Sounds like you'll need a consultation on the problem - I'll be there September 1st about an hour before daylight!
 

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Dave Combs said:
Geez Ken - let the guy settle in a bit before you go pitching your club - besides your too late - I've already got the LHRA hooks into him months ago !
You got to grab the fresh meat before it goes bad :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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I's SORRY!!

I dint realise You was a newbe!!

But I dint tell yas to go eat sh!#

Just sugested the Goosers natual progression to problem sloving!
Sometimes it works good,,,, Others---- well!!----

Gooser
( you'll realise soon I dusnt have a whole bunch to offer here! :oops: )
 

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I will say though. I helped a newbe out once before.

His name was Cris Commeeyerhairsovertheres or sumpin like that (I think it was french)

Anyways THAT discussion went on for nearly 18 pages or so!!
So, Justs to let yas know,,, I mean well!!

Gooser
 

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Re: goose pop

laranie labs said:
larrynogaj said:
You might find this worth giving a try. Canada geese tend to not crawl under things or hop over them. Try stringing a length of line around your perimeter about a foot above the ground. Use stakes or whatever pounded into the ground to serve as your "fence posts." Put some snaps on the line along the beach area so you can quickly remove them when you need to. Should keep your visitors to a minimum.
Then when you trip over the line and land face first into said goose dung, you could try out the Gooser's suggestion.

Couldn't resist regards,

Larry
I might not have put it in print, but I sure would have thought the same thing. No offense taken. :wink:
 
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