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Ran seasoned at Midlands HRC yesterday & things did not go near as well as it did last weekend.

Began the day off with the water test. Blind was up first & the handler worked off of a point that protruded out into the lake. The blind ran parallel with the bank that the point jutted out of, about 20 yds. The blind was about 60 yds. away on the left bank. There was a white bucket or large pipe that was sticking out of the water about 3-4" out of the water at an angle, that was about 40 yds. to the left of the blind, about 5 yds from the bank. Reese kept wanting to go to that bucket, and I had to fight him to get him off of it. I'd cast him on an angle left, and he'd take the left turn, but swim around & point right back to the bucket. One or two times, he wouldn't even bother to take the left back, and just rotated to the right, back towards the bucket. Finally, after 7 or 8 casts, he took a straight line to the blind from about 25-30 yds. away. In hindsight, and after talking with the Professor about it, I should have cast him on a left over to get him off of the bucket, then a left back. We then had our double, and diversion, which he stepped on both marks, & handled the diversion perfectly. Judge told me that we made it through to the land, but due to a couple of cast refusals on the blind, that we needed to run the land blind pretty clean in order to pass.

Land series comes up, & it's in a thinned pine grove with some undergrowth coming in. The blind is first on this setup as well. It is about 80-90 yds. out, and has a pine tree just to the left of the line. I line Reese on the blind & sent him. He takes a straight line for about 30 yds. before he starts to veer off line. I whistle for him to sit, and he does. His nose goes up in the air, and he begins looking side to side. I know that we are in serious trouble at that point, but I give him a right back cast, and he sticks his nose to the ground & begins to put on a hunt, moving from left to right. I whistle for him to sit again, and he sits while looking around & sniffing the air. I cast him on a left, angle back, and he turns back to the right and continues sniffing the ground while hunting. He then blows through 3-4 whistle sits while he continues his hunt. I finally get him to sit & cast back, where he eventually gets to the blind. When he comes back, the judge informs me that we would not be passing, but we were welcome to finish the test if we wanted to. I wanted the experience, so ran the walk up & marks. He did the walk up perfect, and stepped on both marks.

The next dog to run flushed a quail out of the area where Reese was hunting so hard, so at least I know what caused our problem, and I know how to correct it in hopes of it never happening again.

Only half of the field passed that test, so I was in with some very good company.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining about the tests, because they should have been tests that we could have passed easily. They were fair, but tough & they exposed our weaknesses in a bad kind of way, & I can guarantee that the suction that got us this weekend, won't get us again.

As bad as it stung, failing the test, we learned a lot of valuable information that will only make us stronger. We will work hard this week, then try again at Old South.
 

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In a seasoned test having a whit pipe that close is not a good test
 

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Nor is a flush on line to the blind

There was a test years ago at an HRC club here in Ontario.
Dogs were dropping like flies on the water blind. They all hit a spot and hooked left. Finally a dog came up that ignored the handlers whistles and came up with a dead mallard about 10 yds off the line to blind. Needless to say the judges scrapped the blind and did some thinking.
 

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You guys missed the point of HD's post which is that lessons learned can clear the path towards improvement.

Personally I have never learned any lessons by listening to the complainers in the gallery.

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[Land series comes up, & it's in a thinned pine grove with some undergrowth coming in. The blind is first on this setup as well. It is about 80-90 yds. out,


Seasoned blinds are 60 yds maximum..
 

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[Land series comes up, & it's in a thinned pine grove with some undergrowth coming in. The blind is first on this setup as well. It is about 80-90 yds. out,


Seasoned blinds are 60 yds maximum..
FWIW- maximum blind distance in seasoned is 60 yards

I'd be shocked if the blind was longer than the longest permissible distance

Thinking back on it, it probably was closer to 60 yds., though wouldn't supprise me if it wasn't a bit further. The way it was setup though the trees, and the way my nerves were already simmering, I could have easily misjudged the distance since I was much more concerned with getting to it rather than figuring out how far it was.
 

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You guys missed the point of HD's post which is that lessons learned can clear the path towards improvement.

Personally I have never learned any lessons by listening to the complainers in the gallery.

Bert
You're right. I'm not complaining about the setup. We should be able to navigate the suction, and will do the necessary work to do so. I still had a great time, and met a lot of awesome people.
 

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You guys missed the point of HD's post which is that lessons learned can clear the path towards improvement.

Personally I have never learned any lessons by listening to the complainers in the gallery.

Bert
Oh I understood his point but also don't want him to take it too Personally when a seasoned test has something stupid in it

All his other points are his training efforts
 

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You're right. I'm not complaining about the setup. We should be able to navigate the suction, and will do the necessary work to do so. I still had a great time, and met a lot of awesome people.
Natural suction true...if it Trully was a white pipe stoking up 40yrds near line to blind don't tell me judges didn't see it in setup and used it anyway. We are talking seasoned
 

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It's tough not to pass a test. It is even better if you learn from your mistakes. You learned and therefore your dog will get better. Great attitude on your part rather than blaming everyone but yourself. Don't know you but sure RESPECT you



I posted over on the Forum but I wanted to make sure you see this
 

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Dont feal bad. My last Seasoned test, my girl had not had water all day, because I didnt think about. I did air her.
When she hit the water on the blind, she just swam circles trying to drink the pond dry.
She would stop on whistle and take cast then just go into circles
 

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Hairy Dawg.... Glad you can join the club of failing for something you would never have dreamed of in training. I had a dog fail on the diversion. I was running the dog in seasoned for a buddy of mine. Diversion never crossed my mind. Dog was high drive and blew passed the diversion. 5 whistle refusals and seven casts later we picked up the bird. Laugh it off... learn... and teach the pup what you have learned. You will both be better for it. How did pup do on today?
 

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It's tough not to pass a test. It is even better if you learn from your mistakes. You learned and therefore your dog will get better. Great attitude on your part rather than blaming everyone but yourself. Don't know you but sure RESPECT you



I posted over on the Forum but I wanted to make sure you see this
I appreciate that. I don't blame the test or Reese. It's just one of those things that I was a bit ignorant about &, for whatever reason, never thought to train for. The only problem we had was suction on blinds. The bright side to it is that it's one of those things that, in my opinion, is very easily fixed, and won't take long to do it. I can think of a whole host of problems that could have cropped up that would be a whole lot tougher to fix.
 

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Hairy Dawg.... Glad you can join the club of failing for something you would never have dreamed of in training. I had a dog fail on the diversion. I was running the dog in seasoned for a buddy of mine. Diversion never crossed my mind. Dog was high drive and blew passed the diversion. 5 whistle refusals and seven casts later we picked up the bird. Laugh it off... learn... and teach the pup what you have learned. You will both be better for it. How did pup do on today?
We only ran on Saturday. Next weekend we plan on running both days.
 

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I think it was a bucket sunk in water and yes it sucked nearly every dog out there. Real nice set up.
I hope you are being sarcastic.
If not, please explain how this could be a "Real nice set up"
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I hope you are being sarcastic.
If not, please explain how this could be a "Real nice set up"
MP
and ill add, i DONT think they put it there. and in my sarcasm, not complaining nor whining about the set up. it was a bit too close to the bird though for seasoned.
 
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