[Wayne Nutt]

The wind was gusting to 40 mph yesterday so we stayed home and learned something new, angle backs. We worked mainly on the right side. Today is mental health day. Tomorrow we'll learn the left side. Note ecollar on the dog but transmitter is in the house. Just teaching today, no pressure.

 

[2tall]

Thank you Wayne! I appreciated that in several ways. I like your cool, logical way of teaching the concept. I like the praise and the timing. And I especially liked seeing some green grass and shorts wearin' weather. We are looking at about 2" of muddy snow this morning...... nothing but a hike on the pavement as an option. Oh well, heel/sit can always use work.

 

[Justin Allen]

What if you need to make a correction for an obedience issue? Guess you'll be out of luck.

 

[2tall]

What if you need to make a correction for an obedience issue? Guess you'll be out of luck.

Just wondering why you think that. Obedience corrections can easily be made when you are "up close and personal" as he and the pup are in that yard. Do you consider the transmitter the only correction method?

 

[KwickLabs]

What if you need to make a correction for an obedience issue? Guess you'll be out of luck.

He's got a heeling stick, working close and teaching in an enclosed area. Ya' mean he can't do an angle back lesson without an e-collar?

 

[Justin Allen]

It beats hollering at a dog. There is a reason you cc. Use the tools you have given yourself. Dogs get collar wise quick. Don't think they don't learn to associate collar pressure with seeing the transmitter. It makes it easier when you don't always have it in your hand whether you have an intention of using it or not. UOTE=2tall;953257]Just wondering why you think that. Obedience corrections can easily be made when you are "up close and personal" as he and the pup are in that yard. Do you consider the transmitter the only correction method?[/QUOTE]

 

[MattC]

What if you need to make a correction for an obedience issue? Guess you'll be out of luck.

As others mentioned, this close working makes ecollar corrections for obedience a nonissue since he could always revert to stick use.

Wayne, loved the video as always!

 

[Howard N]

Better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it.

Training without a collar you are taking a risk. Something could happen where you'd want a collar, if you don't have it you miss a correction. Not exactly an earth shattering career ending mistake but mistakes can be cumulative. Try to limit your mistakes.

 

[Justin Allen]

How is a heeling stick going to be of use if the dog is not beside you? You're always beside them with a collar. Dogs do funny things sometimes, even our well trained ones. They also form habits very quick. They can also learn to read you like a book. They learn fast that no black thing in hand means no pressure and black thing in hand means act right. Now you're working towards collar wise.

 

[MattC]

Dude, let it go. Wayne has trained a few good dogs in his time. He does what he does, and I'm sure criticism from someone over the Internet is water on a duck's back to him. You do what you want, and Wayne will continue to train like he does.

 

[Justin Allen]

Let what go, an opinion? Looks like I'm not the only one with a contrary opinion on it. Maybe you should let it go if it is getting you this worked up? This is board is for discussing training issues last time I checked.

 

[thebigcat]

What's funny is he could've left out the fact that his transmitter was in the house and then no one would've had anything negative to say. Nice video, Hank(by Pirate) looks good.

 

[Kenneth Niles Bora]

What's funny is he could've left out the fact that his transmitter was in the house and then no one would've had anything negative to say. Nice video, Hank(by Pirate) looks good.

hehehehehe yup, that is true!
I do lots of drill work with the collar on the dog
and the transmiter someplace I am not.
I have a loud "Aak" sound I make.
it is good to mix it up. A dog needs to know
that there are many ways, voice, collar, stick
2x4 (kidding)
watching Wayne's vid, when would you correct,
and for what? just askin' wantin' to learn and grow ya know.


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[Justin Allen]

Didn't watch the vid and that's not the point I was making. If he needed it he didn't have it. That is the point.

hehehehehe yup, that is true!
I do lots of drill work with the collar on the dog
and the transmiter someplace I am not.
I have a loud "Aak" sound I make.
it is good to mix it up. A dog needs to know
that there are many ways, voice, collar, stick
2x4 (kidding)
watching Wayne's vid, when would you correct,
and for what? just askin' wantin' to learn and grow ya know.


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[Kenneth Niles Bora]

Didn't watch the vid and that's not the point I was making. If he needed it he didn't have it. That is the point.

No,
Silly Clamdj.
The point is, in a closed yard with the dog only 20 feet away at all times.
If the only way you can make a dog mind is to fire it up, you should not be training dogs. It would be as stupid as posting about a vid you did not bother viewing!


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[2tall]

How is a heeling stick going to be of use if the dog is not beside you? You're always beside them with a collar. Dogs do funny things sometimes, even our well trained ones. They also form habits very quick. They can also learn to read you like a book. They learn fast that no black thing in hand means no pressure and black thing in hand means act right. Now you're working towards collar wise.

Seriously, I am not arguing or disagreeing with you. But did you not just say that the dog learns that the absence of the transmitter means they get to blow you off? That is exactly what happens with the collar wise dog at a test or trial. I liked the idea of having multiple ways to correct, and that in a confined, up close place like in the vid, its a great opportunity to use them. Believe me, I keep my transmitter in hand or at least pocket nearly all the time, but in this case I would prefer another method.

 

[Justin Allen]

Apparently you can't read. When did I say I ever have have a big need for collar pressure in Yardwork? If I need it I always have though.

No,
Silly Clamdj.
The point is, in a closed yard with the dog only 20 feet away at all times.
If the only way you can make a dog mind is to fire it up, you should not be training dogs. It would be as stupid as posting about a vid you did not bother viewing!


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[Justin Allen]

Over time they will learn they only get collar pressure when you have the transmitter in hand if you make a habit of leaving it on the table. That is all I'm saying.

Seriously, I am not arguing or disagreeing with you. But did you not just say that the dog learns that the absence of the transmitter means they get to blow you off? That is exactly what happens with the collar wise dog at a test or trial. I liked the idea of having multiple ways to correct, and that in a confined, up close place like in the vid, its a great opportunity to use them. Believe me, I keep my transmitter in hand or at least pocket nearly all the time, but in this case I would prefer another method.

 

[Kenneth Niles Bora]

Apparently you can't read. When did I say I ever have have a big need for collar pressure in Yardwork? If I need it I always have though.

your still typing clam?
watch the vid yet?
I asked you when you would correct.
waiting............





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[Brian Cockfield]

What if you need to make a correction for an obedience issue? Guess you'll be out of luck.

This is a discussion board as you suggest and it's ok to have differing opinions on things. There's more than one way to skin a cat right? The part I didn't appreciate about your post is "Guess you'll be out of luck." That sounds like a little condescending aka being a smart a$$. Wayne takes the time to post videos which are very helpful to new people and I appreciate the effort. When people start getting criticized and questioned about everything they do, that's when they quit posting.