[Vicky Trainor]

In a recent thread, a video was posted of a dog's run at an AKC Hunt Test. This video was filmed by the handler's sunglass camcorder.

(I don't know if this is the brand that was used, but here is a description of a sunglass camcorder: Wear, Record, and Share with the LOREXvue Video Sunglasses. Capture live video and audio of your favorite outdoor activities with the microscopic built-in camera. Transfer the video easily to your PC or Mac. LOREXvue Video Sunglasses feature a unisex design, polarized anti-glare lenses, and come with a rugged carrying case.)

As a judge or as a handler, what is your opinion as to the use of this type or helmet cam for recording your dog's performance at a hunt test or field trial?

(This is a closed poll; names of people voting will not be visible.)

 

[road kill]

In a recent thread, a video was posted of a dog's run at an AKC Hunt Test. This video was filmed by the handler's sunglass camcorder.

(I don't know if this is the brand that was used, but here is a description of a sunglass camcorder: Wear, Record, and Share with the LOREXvue Video Sunglasses. Capture live video and audio of your favorite outdoor activities with the microscopic built-in camera. Transfer the video easily to your PC or Mac. LOREXvue Video Sunglasses feature a unisex design, polarized anti-glare lenses, and come with a rugged carrying case.)

As a judge or as a handler, what is your opinion as to the use of this type or helmet cam for recording your dog's performance at a hunt test or field trial?

To me, sometimes seeing it once is more than enough!

The helmut might be useful though!



RK

 

[HuntinDawg]

I am not a judge, but as a handler, if I owned a pair I would probably use them when I ran a hunt test...not to help impugn a judge later, but so I can see and analyze what happened as well as just to preserve the memory. I usually bring a video camera and see if there is someone I know in the gallery who would not mind recording my dog. At times I have hit up other handlers that I did not know and offered to record their dog if they would record mine and then I have mailed or given them a DVD of their dog's run at a later date.

 

[Dman]

As a judge, as long as it's not a distraction, I could care less.

 

[Byron Musick]

I agree that when someone video's a hunt test from the Gallary, that is not that bad. My fear is that you will video that which should only be discussed between the handler and the judge, making public something that should not be made public. So that is what concerns me! Thus my vote.

 

[Mike Smith]

Frankly I am going to get one. That is a very useful to record you and your dog. Both the dog and your mistakes. Watching that video would give me several things to work on. Both me and the dog. I don't have the opportunity to have someone video me in training and or tests. Only problem with it is how detailed you can see the dogs reaction at over 300 yards.

 

[Vicky Trainor]

I agree that when someone video's a hunt test from the Gallary, that is not that bad. My fear is that you will video that which should only be discussed between the handler and the judge, making public something that should not be made public. So that is what concerns me! Thus my vote.

Personally, I don't have a problem with someone getting someone in the gallery to video-tape his dog's run in a hunt test. That happens all the time. I have videos of some of the very first hunt tests I ran over 20 years ago. (Sadly, just no way to view them anymore Got to get them converted to disks!!)

I'm not sure quite how I feel about having any type of video camera at the line where it could accidentally pick up something I am discussing with my co-judge that would not be appropriate for anyone else to hear.

Additionally, I hate having my picture taken. I sure wouldn't want to be included in a video!!! But that is just my personal thing.

 

[BonMallari]

as someone who embraces technology, I would like the ability to video a dog's performance....but as they say the camera never blinks...IMHO it somehow goes into that grey area of the spirit of the game, if its for personal home use and all who are in it are fine then its cool...but don't like the idea of putting the video up for public discussion (ridicule)...

 

[Bud]

Personally, I don't have a problem with someone getting someone in the gallery to video-tape his dog's run in a hunt test. That happens all the time. I have videos of some of the very first hunt tests I ran over 20 years ago. (Sadly, just no way to view them anymore Got to get them converted to disks!!)

I'm not sure quite how I feel about having any type of video camera at the line where it could accidentally pick up something I am discussing with my co-judge that would not be appropriate for anyone else to hear.

Additionally, I hate having my picture taken. I sure wouldn't want to be included in a video!!! But that is just my personal thing.

I think a "I'm taping my dog's run" whether at the line or otherwise would be a nice heads up to the judges.

 

[Bud]

The downside of the glasses/helmet cam is you can only see your dog. I think if you can have someone else tape you and your dog would be best, you'd stand to learn more.

 

[HuntinDawg]

I think a "I'm taping my dog's run" whether at the line or otherwise would be a nice heads up to the judges.

Personally, if I were to say that to a judge I would fear that they might take that as a veiled threat, which would NOT be my intent.

 

[duk4me]

Personally, if I were to say that to a judge I would fear that they might take that as a veiled threat, which would NOT be my intent.

I was thinking the same but after rereading it I think Bud meant the judges should know so they can comb their hair or not scratch themselves on camera.:razz:

 

[Happy Gilmore]

I don't know why anyone would want such a shaky video. Reminds me of when my parents bought the first VHS camcorder that was small enough to carry and took video of almost the entire drive to Hana in Hi. What a crap show that was. I got car-sick watching 2 minutes of it. If you really want to learn something about your handling skills, someone behind you needs to be focusing on YOU the handler while the dog is working.

The video in question shows nothing valuable in my opinion because it is not showing the handler.

 

[Cleo Watson]

IMHO - we really don't see ourselves or our dogs when we are running a test. It could be very helpful to the handler to know where they need to improve or back off some . I know it seems like eons between blowing the whistle and the dogs reaction causing us to blow it again. Sometimes we, as judges, are either too quick or too slow in our reactions, like calling a 'no bird'.

If a judge is afraid of making a mistake then they shouldn't judge. We are all human.
(Of course, some of are better than others - - ;-)

 

[Bud]

Personally, if I were to say that to a judge I would fear that they might take that as a veiled threat, which would NOT be my intent.

OK poorly phrased, how about, "Would you mind if I recorded my dogs run?"

 

[troy schwab]

If a judge is afraid of making a mistake then they shouldn't judge. We are all human.
(Of course, some of are better than others - - ;-)

Well said..... mistakes WILL be made.....

 

[Howard N]

The video in question shows nothing valuable in my opinion

I disagree. The video preserved for posterity all the, "Sits," the creeping, the vocalizations, and a to fast nervous handler. (I'd be nervous handling a dog with line manner issues like that but I hope I wouldn't go that fast.)

The video shows lots of areas for future improvement. Maybe not for this dog, as the OP said it was already an MH, therefore older and probably already set it it's ways, but for the next dog.

 

[HuntinDawg]

I disagree. The video preserved for posterity all the, "Sits," the creeping, the vocalizations, and a to fast nervous handler. (I'd be nervous handling a dog with line manner issues like that) but I hope I wouldn't go that fast.

The video shows lots of areas for future improvement. Maybe not for this dog, as the OP said it was already an MH, therefore older and probably already set it it's ways, but for the next dog.

As I watched it I was also thinking "boy I hope I don't turn my head away from the dog that many times as he is running." If I had those cam glasses then I would know whether I was or not. I might be surprised to find that I was looking away from my dog a lot more than I realized. Of course the camera only goes where your head is pointed and not necessarily where your eyes are pointed as you can look left and right without turning your head. I would like to think that I have become pretty good at handing ducks and/or guns off without taking my eye off the dog. For viewing enjoyment it wouldn't be as good as someone recording, but it could be even more instructive because a recording from the gallery would not likely show how many times you said "sit" and that sort of thing. Heck, one time (at a senior hunt test) I sent my dog on a blind on his name. Luckily he didn't no go, but it did make him pop very quickly. The "on handler" cam/mic would be good for picking up any verbal snafu's that the handler might make as well as for illustrating just how many freaking times you said "sit" or "heel."

 

[Jay Dufour]

The downside of the glasses/helmet cam is you can only see your dog. I think if you can have someone else tape you and your dog would be best, you'd stand to learn more.

That is what I'm thinking also.To evaluate your body language,cues,casts ect,it would be much better having a bud video you from behind the line.

 

[MooseGooser]

First off I wanna say I LOVE to be video'd!

BUT

Hows this for and angle...

per the rules

No training or training aids allowed on test grounds...


Gooser