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I know you post over here more so than at the WD site.

Just wondering have you actually changed your training style to run SRS or are you just training like you would for a trial and heading there to let your chips fall.

Or if you changed your style how have you. I figured you have been throwing the rubber duckys that is a no brainer!
 

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Maxx,

Great question.

Here's what I've done and my outlook. The ATB's don't seem to be a problem.......yet. I keep them in a pile in the shop and he will pick one up everytime we go outside.......Of coarse, I threw a bunch of happy bumpers to get him used to it.

I've also used them in training set-ups. He seems to pick them up just fine. It's pretty tough though when you throw something rubber in the middle of a bunch of scent from training birds. Of coarse our training group uses real birds but I've used the ATB's when it's Dozer's turn.

So far, I haven't really changed anything up as for training tests. I have had group members toss a bumper under his nose during a set up though.

I know I'm gonna totally screw up here, but here goes. Dozer will be 7 next month and not once has he broke on me in training or competiton. That goes for hunting too. Knock, Knock. :wink:

I've had him in every hunting situation I can imagine except any kind of upland stuff. We'll see how he handles the hunting tests at SRS. Now that I've said what I've said, sure enough he will break. :oops:

I've talked with Judy and Danny on what to expect and the only thing they seem to harp on is handling on a mark quickly if you need to.

This is a tough one.........in training, I will not handle. I'm in fear this will cause popping. I'm gonna take my chances in Hot Springs and hope it won't cause any problems.

Your question is good cause I've thought a bunch about what to do. But ultimately I've decided........what I change today may be totally different than what the tests offer. So, it's training as usual for Dozer.

Only thing I will do this week is get an Avery dog blind and run him from that. He lays down, will sit remotely while hunting, hunt from a pit, ect. I don't think I've ever hunted him from one of those blinds though. I don't expect it to be tough for him to use it but I want to cover my bases.
 

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Ken Guthrie said:
I've talked with Judy and Danny on what to expect and the only thing they seem to harp on is handling on a mark quickly if you need to.

This is a tough one.........in training, I will not handle. I'm in fear this will cause popping. I'm gonna take my chances in Hot Springs and hope it won't cause any problems.
That is the biggest problem that most experienced Field Trialers have with SRS. It is the DOG's JOB to hunt the area of a fall. By quickly handling the dog to the bird, one can't judge that very important aspect of dog work. Can the dog dig that bird out? What kind of a hunt pattern does he establish, etc. That is why the dog and handler are generally history at a Field Trial when there is a handle on a mark. We want to see a dog do THEIR JOB.

Doesn't mean I don't watch it when I'm home on a Sunday morning.

Good luck and you know I'm a Dozer fan!
 

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That is the one thing I to have wonder with on the SRS. Not that I know much but I follow enough of these chat pages and have had my ears open enough to know handling on marks at Field trials is a no no.

I wonder how some of the guys that run a lot of SRS and run a lot of field trials train. Do they train to handle there dogs on marks or do they train like they would for a field trial and then just handle during the SRS stuff.

I wonder if they are making the game different enough that you wont be able do both, ie you will ruin your FT dog by running them.

Wonder what tackett thinks of this?
 

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Do you guys like the scoring system that encourages the handling on marks?

I guess I am torn on this. I think it makes for great TV people think that seeing a dog handle is like the greatest thing since slice bread.

The more and more I get into training the more and more I find this somewhat easier than other issues.
 

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Do you guys like the scoring system that encourages the handling on marks?
I guess that's one reason why I'm going to an SRS event.

My first answer would be to absolutely say no.

But how can I make that judgement until I've witnessed it first hand.
 

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I didnt know dozer was 7. Bout time to start a pup also isnt it.Some one for Gage to throw for.

Hey Ken I wonder if Tackett will have you interviewed and it will be on the show on VS...maybe you will even get asked to join team waterdog? :lol:
 

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If you're tight to the AOF, no problem. If you're out of what the judges deem to be the AOF it's 1001, 1002, 1003...bam 5 pts. 1001, 1002, 1003...5 pts. etc. The rub is what the judges think the AOF is and what you do. Hence the recommendations to handle early I think. Although I believe in the HRC book, and I thought AKC as well, it is mentioned that a quick clean handle is preferrable to an extended hunt.
 

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If you're tight to the AOF, no problem. If you're out of what the judges deem to be the AOF it's 1001, 1002, 1003...bam 5 pts. 1001, 1002, 1003...5 pts. etc. The rub is what the judges think the AOF is and what you do. Hence the recommendations to handle early I think. Although I believe in the HRC book, and I thought AKC as well, it is mentioned that a quick clean handle is preferrable to an extended hunt.
Well then in SRS you're better off with 2 x 2pt. whistles at 1002.5 secs than a 5pt long hunt penalty at 1003, huh? No wonder they're quick to handle, I haven't missed an episode yet and that's been bugging me.

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Only thing I will do this week is get an Avery dog blind and run him from that. He lays down, will sit remotely while hunting, hunt from a pit, ect. I don't think I've ever hunted him from one of those blinds though
Mr. Gut, I bought one of these last season for my dogs and I had a hell of a time getting them to "kennel' into one of them. They'd do it in my garage, then the yard, but in the field it was no dice. I think the wind blowing it, plus the excitement did them in on that deal. Spend some serious time on this. From what else I've heard, make sure he'll kennel/load up/ sit --or whatever command you use-- up onto all sorts of odd things, tree stands, park benches, boat decks, hay bales, beaver dams ( i dunno...). And your remote sits / casts, and your diving ducks, and your nose-skimmer diversion birds, and 10 gunshots, and shouting, and.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm sure you'll do us Texans proud!
 

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Jason Zerrer said:
From what else I've heard, make sure he'll kennel/load up/ sit --or whatever command you use-- up onto all sorts of odd things, tree stands, park benches, boat decks, hay bales, beaver dams ( i dunno...). And your remote sits / casts, and your diving ducks, and your nose-skimmer diversion birds, and 10 gunshots, and shouting, and.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

I'm sure you'll do us Texans proud!
Covered..................

And I'll just try not to embarrass us. :wink:
 

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Jason Zerrer said:
Although I believe in the HRC book, and I thought AKC as well, it is mentioned that a quick clean handle is preferrable to an extended hunt.
It's also in the AKC rules. Often, an extended hunt on a mark will get your dog eliminated in a Field Trial and handling on a mark is almost certain death. Reason being that there will be a certain percentage of dogs that will smack all the marks. Remember, in Field Trials the judges are looking for the best dog whereas at a Hunt Test the dogs are judged against a standard.
 

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Long hunt vs Handle in a FT.

Big It DEPENDS

Remember - in a FT you are not competeing against the test - you are competeing against the other dogs. The test is just your field of play.

Alot goes in the decision to handle - how is the rest of your work? How is the rest of the dog's work?
 
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