[rotcsig443]

I have a couple homemade wingers that are very useful. However about a year ago I moved, so my family members who were willing to manually launch them are not able to help me anymore. Does anyone have an idea on how to build some homemade remote launchers for them? Trying to figure out how to run 2 wingers off the same remote out to about 90-100 yards.

 

[sdnordahl]

A pic of the "wingers" would be helpfull to get the creative juices flowing.

 

[ada5771]

A picture of the wingers or atlest the release system would be helpfull this was a thread that had a prety detailed list of the supplies.
http://www.retrievertraining.net/fo...BB-wingers-ect&highlight=homemade+electronics

 

[rotcsig443]

As soon as I get home this afternoon I will get some pictures of the wingers up. Right now I am using bow releases as a release, but I think I am going to replace them with something else that isn't so close to a hairline trigger.

 

[Kendall Steffensen]

rotcsig443,

Copy and paste the link below to your browser and it will take you to a post I started a while back. The post contains picture of the wingers and electronics I put together.

In general terms, you will need a car door lock actuator to operate the bow release and some type of electronics to operate the actuator.

Have a great day,
Kendall


http://www.retrievertraining.net/fo...6848-Homemade-winger-pictures-and-information

 

[Kendall Steffensen]

Go figure, the link became active. Just click on it.
Kendall

 

[twall]

I have a homemade winger that a friend designed. The winger is PVC. The release is made from a gate latch. I used poly baling twine, strong, light and cheap, to trip the release. It worked pretty good. At longer distances you needed to have the release lined up with you so you pulled it straight back, too much angle and it would not release.

The gate latch was screwed to a small pice of plywood that was screwed to a small piece of pvc pipe that slid over the conduit pipe that was used to cock the winger. The loop on the pouch then was held by the gate latch.

Tom

 

[rotcsig443]

Sorry about not posting pictures, didnt get home until pretty late so I didnt pull one out to take pictures. However they are the same PVC mini-wingers that kwicklabs built and shared with the bow release as a "trigger." Honestly, I am terrible with anything related to wiring and electronics (servo's, remote release systems, etc). Right now I am manually releasing the wingers with just long pieces of cord. What all do I need to order and from where so I can try and figure out how to get these running out to about 125 yards. I looked at several sites listed throughout the links provided but I have no idea what I am looking at and just looking for some help. Preferably the cheaper the better since I am a vet student.

 

[Kendall Steffensen]

A rough estimate is $30 for a two channel receiver, $20 for a six channel transmitter, $15 for a small 12 rechargable battery, $10 for a buzzer, $5 for a project box, $5 for an automotive switch, and $5 for wiring. Roughly, $230 for materials to put together a set of three. Throw in shipping charges and it is probably closer to $250.

Kendall

 

[blake_mhoona]

made 4 pvc wingers last year. i had nothing on hand had to purchase everything. cost me about 600 roughly for all 4 or roughly 150 a piece. def an easier pill to swallow than spending that much for 1 fully rigged new winger or 2000 for 4

Heres another link http://www.retrievertraining.net/fo...emade-Wingers/page2&highlight=homemade+winger

and my cost breakdown quoted from that thread

if you dont have any kind of hardware stockpile (pvc, nuts, bolts, zip ties, etc) on hand like i didnt then around $600-650


electronics 180
pouches and rubbers 200
actuators, bow release 75
pvc, hardware, zip ties 150-200


but considering i just saw 4 used ones plus electronics for 1825 then i think i came out ahead. especially when you look at new prices.




i would reccomend only attempting this if you have access to major power tools. i went to my dad's house and we had to use his band saw, mitor saw, belt grinder, drill press, and his foot pedaled dental drill (he uses it for jewelry work). we used kendell stefensen's design

 

[zeekster]

Never thought about using PVC tubing what size and schedule?
I made mine out Of Aluminium tubing and had a friend weld them up. Then I took the time to design a firing mechanism that would fire a shot. If I was going to do this again I'd just call Zinger winger and buy his firing mechanism. I tried model aircraft electronics with earlier wingers and different firing systems like having a weight slide down a rod then hit a trigger and fire a shot and the bird at same time but too unreliable.
Now I use Tri-tronics but have thought about changing to Dogtra just have to change a few things from solenoids to servo motors.
found they were costing me about $300 each to build, it's amazing how all the little parts can add up and trying to find good pulleys and then when trying to buy latex tubing only buying a 100 ft a time, all these suppliers want to sell 1000 ft minimum.
But in the end it is rewarding to know that you made them yourself.

 

[rotcsig443]

Zeekster,

3/4 in, schedule 40 PVC and they are very sturdy, very light weight, easy to store, and cost me about $180 to build two manual launchers at home. We even go as far to make our own pouches. Cost about $25 to make 3 as compared to that for 1 from online. I got the tubing from http://www.reefscuba.com . They have tons of different sizes and lengths you can buy.

Like I mentioned before, I'm electronically challenged so im still trying to deccifer everything the other threads say I need and how to put it all together, but I think I have it down.

- Door lock actuator (going to a junk yard to pull these off)
- 12V battery
- 4CH 2000M Long Range DC Power Output Receiver & Transmitter from carymart (http://www.carymart.com/4ch-2000m-long-range-dc-power-output-receiver-transmitter-learning-code-p-1596.html?zenid=cdgrtle3o4ab0j5f0ctd4qqk27)
-Some type of box to put it all in.

What else am I missing because I feel like I am.

 

[blake_mhoona]

Zeekster,

3/4 in, schedule 40 PVC and they are very sturdy, very light weight, easy to store, and cost me about $180 to build two manual launchers at home. We even go as far to make our own pouches. Cost about $25 to make 3 as compared to that for 1 from online. I got the tubing from http://www.reefscuba.com . They have tons of different sizes and lengths you can buy.

Like I mentioned before, I'm electronically challenged so im still trying to deccifer everything the other threads say I need and how to put it all together, but I think I have it down.

- Door lock actuator (going to a junk yard to pull these off)
- 12V battery
- 4CH 2000M Long Range DC Power Output Receiver & Transmitter from carymart (http://www.carymart.com/4ch-2000m-long-range-dc-power-output-receiver-transmitter-learning-code-p-1596.html?zenid=cdgrtle3o4ab0j5f0ctd4qqk27)
-Some type of box to put it all in.

What else am I missing because I feel like I am.

you dont want a 4 channel receiver unless you have 4 things to run at one winger. a 2 channel receiver will run the launcher and the speaker. 1 channel just the launcher.

and you will need a receiver at each winger. so in your case you would need 2 (qty) 1 channel receivers or 2 (qty) 2 channel receivers if you have a speaker. and a 2 button remote or a 4 button remote if you have a speaker

you might need to shop else where if it cost 180 to make 2 manual launchers. like stated above everything all together including electronics cost me 150 per launcher.

 

[jecartag]

I know that some made their wingers out of 3/4". I made some out of 1/2 a few years back and they are still holding strong. The bigger pieces were made from 1"....I didn't make precision fittings as some have previously done, just did a mock winger from Kwik labs. Also, the only tools I had were an electric drill and a jig saw to build the wingers, so not many tools used on my end. Of course, I needed wire strippers, a crimping tool, and a screw driver for the electronic aspect. Hope this helps somebody. Also, here is a picture of my electronics from a post in 2012. I have since done away with the 9V batteries because they weren't lasting long enough and starting to cost a lot and replaced with a single, small 12 V battery. I can post a picture if anybody requests it.

http://www.retrievertraining.net/fo...made-Wingers/page2&highlight=Homemade+wingers

Go to my post from March 24, 2012. I put an illustrated diagram of the inside of my electronics box that goes on each winger.

 

[rotcsig443]

So I need to order multiple, 1 channel receivers and a 4 button remote to run them off of. I don't plan on adding sirens to them. Right now I have 2 homemade wingers, but once electronics are on them I plan to add another winger and all.

Would y'all suggest getting the upgrade to the 433 megahertz frequency?

Thank you all once again for the help.

 

[blake_mhoona]

So I need to order multiple, 1 channel receivers and a 4 button remote to run them off of. I don't plan on adding sirens to them. Right now I have 2 homemade wingers, but once electronics are on them I plan to add another winger and all.

Would y'all suggest getting the upgrade to the 433 megahertz frequency?

Thank you all once again for the help.

get multiple 1 channel receivers for how many wingers you have then however many wingers you have get that many buttons on remote. and order all you plan to have once. shipping is high from china and takes a 3+weeks. so if in the end you plan to have 3 or 4 get it all at once

unless your going to have bird boys or your dog handles well id look into getting speakers. if they get out of the area that siren will bring em back without having to stop and handle. if you do decide to get speakers get a 2 channel receiver PER winger and a remote that has 2 buttons per winger

antenna wise i got the magnetic ones and ive tested them to 400 yards (good for a theoretical 1000 clear line of sight)

whatever mHZ u decide get them all in it. unless you train by some RC airplane fields or someone in your group has something on that frequency (more than likely another DIYer) no need to not get the standard.

 

[rotcsig443]

As far as servo motors go, what would y'all recommend?

 

[blake_mhoona]

As far as servo motors go, what would y'all recommend?

most of the homemade winger crew does not use servos. we use door lock actuators (using the pull function) tied to bow releases. most of the threads listed in here will have pics so you can see up close what i mean

 

[rotcsig443]

Why is that? Cheaper or just easier to rig up?

 

[blake_mhoona]

Why is that? Cheaper or just easier to rig up?

cheaper, easier to rig up, and stronger. when the bow caliper is under tension it needs a good bit of pull to trigger it. and less stuff to get ruined gear wise