How do you judge this?

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Debthomas

Discussion Starter · Apr 19, 2007

Master test. Triple on land. blind up the middle. Orange stake to give you point of reference. Handlers are told to handle to the orange stake. at that point there has been a trail dragged aprox 10-12 feet off to the left of the orange stake. Handlers are told that once you get to the orange stake to release your dog to trail the cripple. You can say fetch it up, hunt it up, ect.

My question as a judge. is say I handle to the stake great 2 cast and I am on it. I have a 8-9. I have sat my dog and said fetch it up. and the dog goes wild. does not pick up on the trail and is all over the place, now I have to handle back to the area, and to the actual bird.

I watched 40+ dogs run this blind. And I don't think 2 dogs did the same thing. There where handlers that handled directly to the bird. some dogs would not release on hunt it up and had to be casted over, ect.

So with out a standard to score by, how would you judge?

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Gun_Dog2002

· #7 · Apr 19, 2007

I would recommend these judges go back and read part 1 of the guidelines. I has many sections that would apply here.

On blind retrieves, wherever possible, the Judges
shall plan their hunting situations taking advantage of
hazards, such as islands, decoys, points of land, sandbars,
ditches, hedges, small bushes, adjacent heavy cover, and
rolling terrain. Despite such natural distractions, it shall
be possible for a dog to find a well-planned blind-retrieve
on the initial line from its handler; that it will do so is highly
improbable because of those natural hazards, so it must
be handled to the blind. The hunting situation should be
planned so that the dog should be in sight continuously.
A blind retrieve is a test of Trainability (control,
response). A dog that is out-of-sight for a considerable
period cannot be said to be under control. Utilizing natural
hazards provides better opportunity to evaluate the
abilities required of a superb Retriever.

but
remember, complicated or unnatural tests very often prove
nothing and consume great amounts of time and expense.

Clarity in explaining test objectives shall minimize
questions.

Consider, also, the amount of time consumed by these
elements, and ask yourself what they are testing, and

I would not set this up in a test.

/Paul

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Gun_Dog2002

· #12 · Apr 19, 2007

So lets say you handle your dog to the stick. Then sit the dog and handle it to the bird from there? How would or did the judges handle that?

/Paul

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Gun_Dog2002

· #19 · Apr 19, 2007

kjrice said:
Gun_Dog2002 said:

So lets say you handle your dog to the stick. Then sit the dog and handle it to the bird from there? How would or did the judges handle that?

/Paul

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What's the purpose? Might as well extend the stick out to the bird. Handling a dog to a bird is not trailing.

I agree. AKC does not incorporate trailing in the standard. So how in the world would this be judged according to the standard?

/Paul

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