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I have someone that is interested in starting an HRC club in the Billings Montana area.

If you know of anyone living there that would have the same interest please get in touch with me so I can share the information I have.

Email- [email protected]
 

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That would be interesting. That would give Montana 3 HRC Clubs and Washington State 3 HRC clubs.

Montana has a population of 989,000 people.

Washington has a population of 6,700,000 people.
 

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I think this would make 4 HRC's in Montana, am I correct Margo?

The current clubs are Missouri Headwaters HRC, Bitteroot Valley HRC and Treasure State HRC.
 

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That would be interesting. That would give Montana 3 HRC Clubs and Washington State 3 HRC clubs.

Montana has a population of 989,000 people.

Washington has a population of 6,700,000 people.
That seems uncool when they won't allow a second club in a metro area with over 3 million population.

Smells like politics.

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I think this would make 4 HRC's in Montana, am I correct Margo?

The current clubs are Missouri Headwaters HRC, Bitteroot Valley HRC and Treasure State HRC.
That is correct Abby it would make four club that are spread out over two hours apart from each other.

I also have some other things in the hopper but nothing to make public at this time :)
 

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I might know a guy he wants to get some hunt tests going. He might be interested in hrc you can call me at (406)-861-5843
I will give you a call today. Thanks! I have found my connection in the WY area that is just below Billings, he will help with the Billings thing along with anyone else that wants to join the fun.

Right now we are just looking to develope a group of folks and get them in contact with the FT club there so that the grounds might be used for training and such.
 

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That seems uncool when they won't allow a second club in a metro area with over 3 million population.

Smells like politics.

WRL

Give me a call Lee and I can explain that issue over there better by phone.
 

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Margo, myself and 60 plus members of the Cascade Retriever club would like to know. So lets hear it. It seems that a few members of WWHRC contacted HRC to stop us. I have wondered if their membership is aware that there has been an additional club that has been turnd down twice. When I put 500 points on my first dog it took forever because there were only 2 clubs in our region. With an additional club they will be more tests to run without having to travel for a minimum of 3hrs. Our club has had training days and we have enough money in the bank to hold a test, new grounds and 60 plus members. Also 9 HRC judges. I feel I have been mislead with the HRC family thing, I don't treat my family the way HRC has treated us.
 

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Please feel free to contact me via phone or email to discuss this. The board at Cascade has been given HRC's reasons for the refusal to allow the club to formed. If they have not shared that with you I am sorry.

Again I will field these questions in private not on this forum.
 

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Just too bad there is some sort of "reason" NOT to have two clubs in an area with over 3 MILLION people. Seems like it would only increase support.

From Seattle, the other available tests are over 3 hour drives which include either a VERY long drive around Puget Sound or, over two mountain passes..... Not alot of people look at our geography here and realize that travel in our area is more difficult that it looks on a map or just by measuring mileage.

I would definately join UKC if I could have a few more opportunities to run closer to home and make an extra 3 hour trip to other clubs for more points.
 

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Sharon
Please feel free to contact me via phone or email to discuss this. The board at Cascade has been given HRC's reasons for the refusal to allow the club to formed. If they have not shared that with you I am sorry.

Again I will field these questions in private not on this forum.
Why not? Like I said, seems political. With every post, that its obvious that IS the reason.

In other large metro areas, I bet there are more than one club available.

The drive from Duvall (where Whistling Wings is located) to Tacoma is TWO HOURS.....and Tacoma is literally the southern portion of Seattle. Add another TWO HOURS to get to the northern side of the sound where the "next closest club" is located. That's four hours away.

A drive to Chewelah for that club is 6 hours from Duvall. Lower Columbia is 4 hours from Duvall if they continue to hold it in Clatskanie just off the freeway.

Come on, I would think you'd want to ENCOURAGE participation in a large, outdoor loving, hunting and fishing haven like WA state. Its a BIG territorial state and the Seattle area holds over 1/2 the population of the ENTIRE state.

Lets hear some sort of LOGICAL reason for refusing to allow Cascade to run and hold HRC tests.

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Lee, you aren't taking into consideration the TRAFFIC we have around here. When you leave Seattle Metro on a busy weekend and head south, you get Tacoma traffic and Olympia traffic then, hit Portland traffic.

Alot of folks living a little further North would probably take a ferry boat ride which on the weekends in Summer often have 2-3 hour wait times....Add that to a minimum of 3-4 hour driving alone to get out to the peninsula....Then, for Eastern Wa....5-6 hours of straight highway driving doing 75+mph..... We only have a single lone viable club to service a metropolitan area of over 2.5 million people. Just in a fairly small radius. That is double the entire State of Montana just sitting 30 miles away or less from where all the events are held.

Obviously, the "regional" reasoning doesn't work well or, the people who make decisions have never had to actually drive to other events in the area. Traveling around our water and mountains takes a lot longer than a State where you can just set cruise control and drive in a straight line for 5 hours doing 85+mph legally.
 

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The Cascade club has been given the reasons for the refusal, please ask them. The EC of HRC reviewed this club 4 times before making this final decision. But ask the board of that club to share the reasons.

I have offered to speak to anyone about this in private, that offer still stands but I won't post further on this issue. I am working hard to have HRC grown in the Montana area and the states that I cover, that was the purpose of this thread to ask for support in the BILLINGS MONTANA area.

I would like to thank the people that have already contacted me, it appears we are well on our way to another club or two in Montana.
 

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The Cascade club has been given the reasons for the refusal, please ask them. The EC of HRC reviewed this club 4 times before making this final decision. But ask the board of that club to share the reasons.

I have offered to speak to anyone about this in private, that offer still stands but I won't post further on this issue. I am working hard to have HRC grown in the Montana area and the states that I cover, that was the purpose of this thread to ask for support in the BILLINGS MONTANA area.

I would like to thank the people that have already contacted me, it appears we are well on our way to another club or two in Montana.
So there is no interest in growing HRC in WA?

If you have something to say, then say it. I don't understand why it has to be said "in private" or on the phone.

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Sorry to poach your Billings club thread. I'll start a new one to make discussion.
 

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Hi Margo,

Apparently, HRC has mislead you as well............
Come on really, being the so called area #14 representative, you're surely misinformed.
You are correct, Cascade Retriever Club has applied to be a sanctioned HRC affiliated club (2) times. We've invited National Executive Officers to meet w/us, pay for motel, show them our training & test grounds (active duck club), we've left numerous VM & emails. And not once has anyone on the HRC National Executive Comity ever contacted myself or any other Cascade club officer, to discuss their grievances or reasoning. HRC obviously dose NOT want any more clubs within WWHRC (Whistling Wings) sand box & they don't even have the B's to call any one of us to discuss.

Jamie Graham
President: CRC
 

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I feel your pain Jamie. I know I certainly appreciate seeing your members at PSLRA's hunt test, Rainiers Hunt Test, Evergreen Golden Ret. Test and at Tacoma FT clubs trial and Northwests' trial. We all share the exact same grounds in the exact same valley. Everybody I know typically belongs to two or more clubs around here....we all help each other out.

I just don't think many folks realize that ALL clubs in Western Washington basically share the same grounds. Historically, ALL hunt tests/trials are held at Bob Pepper's Retriever Grounds or, Bert Carlson's K-9 Country Club.

A local Am has opened his private grounds to FT clubs last year. Cascade has their own private grounds to put on a test as well. Sure would be nice to another new location used other than the same spot every hunt test has been held at since AKC HT began. (same with the HRC test) We have at least 5 different clubs put on tests at Bob Peppers a year. Same tests, same grounds, same look.....getting very dull.
 

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Oops, my bad (Girls are keeping me honest)
As to HRC correspondence & all we know, here's what was sent out to all Cascade members.

November 21, 2011

Dear Cascade Board Members,

Thank you for your support in Cascade’s pursuit to become an HRC club here in the Pacific Northwest. We are sad to report that Mike Witt has decided to deny our request. We would like to share this information with everyone in our region so we can all be up to date with developments.
On November 9, 2011, Pam received the following email from Mike.

“Pamela

After much review and discussion between past EC, current EC, field reps and assistant field reps in Region 14, club officials in Region 14, phone conversations, emails and one-on-one conversations with most concerned, the decision has been made not to grant the development of the Cascade Retriever Club into the Hunting Retriever Club, Inc program at this time. Efforts should be placed on strengthening the existing clubs, members and judges already in place within Region 14 and surrounding regions. Claudene Cooper will be returning your club’s application and check in the near future. We hope that you will continue to support the HRC program.

Sincerely, Michael Witt
President, HRC, Inc.”

We thought given support of almost every HRC Club in Washington, Oregon and British Columbia our club would now be in the HRC family. It seems to us that this decision was made with very little understanding of HRC in the Northwest or how another club would benefit the entire region and not draw resources or entries from existing clubs. As far as we understand HRC has never before excluded a club with 60+ members that had this much widespread support from existing HRC Clubs in a region.
The Cascade Board has felt left out of any discussion regarding our acceptance. Not one of our Board members was ever contacted with questions or included in Executive Committee discussions on or “off the record”. There were several conversations with Margo, our current area rep, but nothing concrete one way or another came back to our Board. We are officially in the dark about anything that might need to be resolved or questions from the Executive Committee so we could be a club.
Your continued support for Cascade becoming a member of the HRC family is much appreciated. For those of you with legitimate provable concerns we would like to find out what those actually are so we can address them.
Cascade and its members will continue to hold practices and seek HRC affiliation. We will also support regional clubs and local clubs like we have done in the past. Thank you again for your support in our quest. Please respond to this e-mail address, if so inclined, and the privileged information will get to the Cascade Board. Happy hunting.

Cascade Hunting Retriever Club Board
 
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