Sorry for GDG'ing up this thread right off the bat, but how could I possibly resist this? My very own beloved honey, admitting it, right out in public??? :twisted: :lol:Meleagris said:
I have a question for those who have been around longer than I have. I posted this quote from Uncle Bill because it is the second time I have seen a similar quote in the last week or so. It was always my understanding that the HT founders split from FT because the "average" person could not compete against the professionally trained(or highly skilled Amateur trained) dogs in Field Trials. It was my understanding that the primary reason for the split was to create a place where everyone could play versus wanting to represent what you would expect to find in a "normal" day's hunt (I think certainly part of it but maybe not the primary reason). Since I frequently find myself being wrong on my assumptions, I'm curious what your take on it is---which is the case (or maybe/probably it is some combo of the two???)Uncle Bill said:How ironic was it for the Wolters,Tarrents et al to break away from the trialing crowd because it "no longer represented what you'd expect to find in a normal days hunt", only to start up an organization that ignores basic physics.
Sorry for GDG'ing up this thread right off the bat, but how could I possibly resist this? My very own beloved honey, admitting it, right out in public??? :twisted: :lol:Meleagris said:Since I frequently find myself being wrong
John
Someone already screwed up! :wink:Meleagris said:None of the above (please explain)
This person Pm'ed me.achiro said:Someone already screwed up! :wink:Meleagris said:None of the above (please explain)
Hunt'em Up:Hunt'em Up said:If the intent of HTs were to provide a venue for the average 'joe hunter' (no offense H20fowl) to participate in, then I would have to say that they have fallen short. Now I know I might get flamed for that one, but for every hunter that you can name that runs HTs, I can name ten more that don't. I've been to JH and SHR stakes where 40 - 50% of the dawgs are pro-trained. Is that bad, nope. But what kind of impression does that leave with someone new?
-My Two Yen
I'm not Kevin, but...Hunt'em Up said:Kevin,
I heard the AKC HT program removed the trait of "nose" from those qualities evaluated during a HT. Do you know the reasoning behind this?
Thanks again from a newbie,
Delta Dog said:John,
Note sure about ametuers not being able to compete in FT with pros, but I always heard that the HT came about to reward and test hunting skills. Here's a thought, when would you ever have to send a dog on a 400 yard blind while hunting???
Delta Dog
Its really pretty common around here. Shoot at geese over the dekes, some fall but ten watch the flock as they sail away and once in a while you'll see one(or more) drop out and hit the ground. I've had to send te dog across the quarter section road into the next pasture several times to pick up a bird.Delta Dog said:John,
Note sure about ametuers not being able to compete in FT with pros, but I always heard that the HT came about to reward and test hunting skills. Here's a thought, when would you ever have to send a dog on a 400 yard blind while hunting???
Delta Dog
I've never seen a dog pick up a goldeneye, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen regularly to some folks. :wink: I know how long 300 yds is. It's ridiculous, but it happens dang near every goose hunt out here, and 100 yds is not uncommon for ducks here - but that is probably related more to my lousy shooting, and the never ending west Texas winds. Geese are tough - sometimes it takes a couple of hundred yards for them to realize they are dead. If HT's want to cater to "ordinary" hunts, that's fab. Me, I want a dog that can go get that goose that sailed into the next county. It's all good, as long as it gets folks out working their dog! BUT - just b/c my dog is accustomed to sailing waterfowl and hunting off a platform smack dab in the center of a playa doesn't mean I think it would be a great test set up. It's too big a pain to set up for real hunting, much less a test! 8)Delta Dog said:To the long blind folks:
With all due respect....300 yards is 3 football fields, not to mention the fact that a 500-600 yard retrieve is around 1600 ft which is quarter mile!
You know, I have been hunting my entire life and have NEVER seen this kinda stuff. If you guys say it's happening then o.k., it's not my place to say otherwise, but I have not seen it.
Delta Dog