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I have been arrested by the "thought Police" for talking to my dog while honoring at an AKC, AA,test. The "police" assume that " ........I must have thought the dog was going to break......." . even though the dog was not ceeping, but sitting solid as a rock, quietly by my side.
If convicted I face the death penalty(elimination) .Who wants the retainer.
john


PS See WRC Judgeing Retriever Field Trials-Honoring Mechinacs for particulars.
 

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Guilty!

Guilty! What do you want for your last meal? I know that little trick,"Good doggie, no you don't want that bird, good doggie". Firing squad or hanging, we'll be nice and let you pick. Next!
 

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If your dog was "solid as a rock", WHY did you find it necessary to "speak" to your dog? Doesn't make sense.

Keep quiet until the dog starts to move, then speak quietly if needed, but you're still gonna get dropped in most instances.

I forgot about HT's, different game.

Jerry
 

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you defense

:idea: not guilty by reason of insanity... you weren't talking to your dog... you were talking to yourself.......? Or, you were talking to your other personalityarguing about how to run the dog.... or, Sorry John, I'm trying to help. Everyone seems to want to convict you!
 

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Oh come on John. Don't be draging this crap over here when you know good and well that KG went to go mow the yard and have a beer ! Leave him alone ! We've had enough for one day. :D

I like the 5% rule brought up over there. Shut up, until you're absolutely certain that you have no choice. THEN take your chances. Otherwise, everytime you speak, you're telling the judges "my dog is just about to break." That would make it HEARING, not mind reading. There's a red flag issue with that.

Guilty, get a rope ! And I do mean ROPE, cause I would want to see how much it would take to hang yourself. IF I was judging, AND I DON'T, but if I was it wouldn't be an automatic DQ in my book, but you'd be well on your way to tightening the noose. JMUEO.
 

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Chris,
Kg wanted me to bring it over,in the form of a poll ,which I did not know how to do.
john
 

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Chris,
Your the best!!!!
john
 

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i voted sudden death. the field trials i have run or worked at did not place a big burden on the dog to remain steady anyway,and besides these are the best retrievers in the country-they should be required to prove it.-paul
 

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death

Strap him in the Guillotine, "Off with his head".
 

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Thanks, Chris, for fulfilling the "poll" request.

Thanks, John, for taking the challenge.

Now...when it's all said and done, regardless of how it goes, will you be happy, John??? :lol:

Keith Griffith
 

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Keith,
No matter how it shakes out .I am going to take the advice you gave someone on one of the other forums about not judging by Consensus.
john
 

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john fallon said:
Keith,
No matter how it shakes out .I am going to take the advice you gave someone on one of the other forums about not judging by Consensus.
john
Oh that's funny, but I suppose that also means "NO !", KG. :(

Reminds me of ole Steve Warner's song ... "Some fools never learn. Play with the fire and you're gonna get burned."

Just kiddin' ya again John. STAND UP for what you believe in man. We all need a nice target to :splat: .

:lol: :D 8)
 

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Keith,
No matter how it shakes out .I am going to take the advice you gave someone on one of the other forums about not judging by Consensus.
Happy? I'm retired, single, and all I do is play with my dogs,I'm happy. :D
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Is there an echo in here? :) !

Keith Griffith

PS....and you just have to wonder how many of those votes came from people who have never run a field trial, much less read the FT rulebook...
 

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I think a lot would depend on the timing, as well as the rest of the dogs work. The rules talk about slight "hissing" as not necessarily fatal. If you were giving repeated, audible "sit" commands while the birds were coming down, I think you would be in trouble.
 

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Emily,
Why don't you take a quick look at the post on WRC? :?
john






PS. Keith I agree with your PS.
 

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There are so many ways to give the dog a "sit" command without ever opening one's mouth, even Keith can't detect it. And he probably knows a few.

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I just judge what I see Jerry.

A handler that speaks the dog on honor, or repositions his body on the honor as the guns go off, is communicating to his dog "keep your butt here." The rulebook says to interpret that, in essence, as a controlled break, an elimination fault in an all-age stake.

I can appreciate the subtle stuff...that happens all the time and is all but impossible to interpret relative to training or trialing. It's the obvious, blatant stuff that has to be dealt with accordingly.

IMHO, of course....

Keith Griffith
 

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Why should the standard of steadiness be less stringent for the honoring dog than it is for the working dog?????? Who's most likely to be interfered with? Unless the working dog displays some overt sign i.e. looking at the honoring handler when he speaks, how could we be certain that he wasn't being distracted. Have you ever been concentrating veeeery hard on something and had someone say something to you that broke your concentration???


Walk the plank mate :!: :)
 
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