I was recently visiting a website and gave an opinion on some questions a gentlemen had. He is new to training and I gave my .02. I would like some on here's opinion on some of the responses given. I thought they were some pretty bold statements? http://alducks.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2708
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you have to look at who you are talking to.If they have it set in there mind that collars are bad then it will be like argueing with a wall.
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When a question is asked, you have to expect responses, some of which you want and some that you don't. Then you have to consider the source and weigh the merits. You can't blame someone for expressing their opinion. That's what was asked for.
When a question is asked, you have to expect responses, some of which you want and some that you don't. Then you have to consider the source and weigh the merits. You can't blame someone for expressing their opinion. That's what was asked for.
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flatcreek said:
You know that...I know that....almost every pro you can think of knows that...as well as almost every successful (and of course that implies a certain form of success) amatuer knows that too. Among this group, it's not even argueable. So my question is, why do you look for an arguement with someone NOT in this group?
It's similar to the FF/nonFF crowds. It's politics. A religion. Of course it can be discussed, but it seldom goes that far...it becomes an arguement over attempts to convince others of "what's right". Then it goes beyond that into making those that do FF or CC feel guilty, because for the non-FF crowd, that "pressure" is plain and simple "abuse".
There are those members of RTF that achieve their training goals by using an "Amish" style program. More power to them. I applaud their abilities. I too, as many my age, have been there done that. But I'm now from the Dave Duffy camp..."dragged kicking and screaming into the twentieth century" as he wrote several years ago. Many of us still incorporate some of the pre-collar teachings we used in the past, but not FF or CC is no longer given any thought. We pretty much follow a designed program to a level we need to be happy with our dog's accomplishments. Nuff said.
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This is my first post after months of just lurking and reading and gathering lots of info.
To train dogs up to the level that people here require of their dogs, an E collar is needed.
I know how some of these people who replied on the other site feel since I was in their shoes years ago with my first Lab.
I trained my Lab the Amish way and he was a great hunting dog but not what you would consider a FT dog.
Many people who buy dogs to hunt with(like I did) can get away with an easier training program especially when they are faced with easier retrieves and shorter less complicated multiple retrieves.
If their dog messes up a long blind then it's not that big of a deal the bird is marked then retrieved later.
I was scared to use an E collar because I didn't know how to go about training with one and I was scared of what might happen if I used it incorrectly.
I spent allot of time with my dog and he turned out just fine for my style of Goose and duck hunting without a collar but I sure wish I had used a collar to have finished him a bit better.
I now understand how much easier it would have been to instantly correct a situation instead of having to walk out 200 yards and get his attention and have him forget what he did or was being corrected for.
I think it all boils down to what you want to accomplish with your dog and what you are willing to accept as the final product.
People who frequent this site are serious FT trainers and know how to get the best out of their dogs.
It seems like the other site is full of Hunters who are happy with the results they use.
Some people can never be convinced that another way of doing anything is better. It's best to leave these types of people to their own ways of thinking.
To train dogs up to the level that people here require of their dogs, an E collar is needed.
I know how some of these people who replied on the other site feel since I was in their shoes years ago with my first Lab.
I trained my Lab the Amish way and he was a great hunting dog but not what you would consider a FT dog.
Many people who buy dogs to hunt with(like I did) can get away with an easier training program especially when they are faced with easier retrieves and shorter less complicated multiple retrieves.
If their dog messes up a long blind then it's not that big of a deal the bird is marked then retrieved later.
I was scared to use an E collar because I didn't know how to go about training with one and I was scared of what might happen if I used it incorrectly.
I spent allot of time with my dog and he turned out just fine for my style of Goose and duck hunting without a collar but I sure wish I had used a collar to have finished him a bit better.
I now understand how much easier it would have been to instantly correct a situation instead of having to walk out 200 yards and get his attention and have him forget what he did or was being corrected for.
I think it all boils down to what you want to accomplish with your dog and what you are willing to accept as the final product.
People who frequent this site are serious FT trainers and know how to get the best out of their dogs.
It seems like the other site is full of Hunters who are happy with the results they use.
Some people can never be convinced that another way of doing anything is better. It's best to leave these types of people to their own ways of thinking.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:19 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
If you buy a quality British lab you MOST LIKELY not need to use the E-collar. Buy a dog out of feild trial stock you will need a good charging system for your E-collar.
Where can I find one of them thar British Labs. Seems like they train themselves. :wink:
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2007 9:19 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
If you buy a quality British lab you MOST LIKELY not need to use the E-collar. Buy a dog out of feild trial stock you will need a good charging system for your E-collar.
Where can I find one of them thar British Labs. Seems like they train themselves. :wink:
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Welcome. I'm just a hunter myself. I didn't want to even think about using a collar. My trainer convienced me otherwise. If anything a collar can make it easier for us beginners, we just have to learn how to use them.Excaliber said:
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