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Can a dog wear a chain to the holding blind in Junior?
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A choke chain yes. They might frown if it was a logging chain :wink: , but a choke chain is ok. Now some judges/marshalls will try to tell you that you can't but you can.Gun_Dog2002 said:
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Page 28, Chapter 5, Section 3 of the Regulations & Guildines for AKC Hunting Tests for Retrievers
(3) Dogs shall be steady but may be brought to the line on leash with a flat buckle collar. Dogs may be restrained gently with a slipcord, or held gently by the flat buckle collar until sent to retrieve. English slip leads, prong, choke and pinch-type collars are prohibited. Leashes, including short tabs, shall be removed before dogs are run.
http://www.akc.org/pdfs/rulebooks/RHTRET.pdf
(3) Dogs shall be steady but may be brought to the line on leash with a flat buckle collar. Dogs may be restrained gently with a slipcord, or held gently by the flat buckle collar until sent to retrieve. English slip leads, prong, choke and pinch-type collars are prohibited. Leashes, including short tabs, shall be removed before dogs are run.
http://www.akc.org/pdfs/rulebooks/RHTRET.pdf
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I've seen a lot of choke chains come to the line but the leash is always attached to the two rings so that it acts as a non-choking loose chain.
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To the holding blind, yes.Gun_Dog2002 said:
When the dog is called to the line, No.
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Read it again, this rule does not apply IN the holding blind. It only refers to coming to the line. In the holding blind you can use a choke chain and or english slip lead. They just have to be remove pryor to leaving the blind and coming to the line. The only thing touching the dogs neck as it exits the blind to go to the line is a flat buckle collar.
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Perhaps you should read it again. There is no place in the rulebook that says choke chains are allowed (holding blinds or not). It simply states they are prohibited. If a judge decided to make a call on it, the rule book is all you have to fall back on, not someone's opinion.Wyldfire said:
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Me.....Jest? Hardly. This is a serious question that although debated 4000 times here hasn't been discussed in over a month. Figured it was time to hear the latest and stay current... :lol:2tall said:
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does it say anywhere in the rule book that a choke chain is NOT allowed,if not then how can they inforce it..........never done it regards
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The section being discussed regards bringing Junior dogs to the line. Period. Flat buckle collars are the only kind of collar that can be used to bring the Junior dog to the running line.
Chapter 1, Section 12, paragraph 2 discusses the kinds of collars that cannot be on the grounds at an AKC HT (or any AKC event for that matter). The choke collar is not on that list.
Chapter 3, Section 5, paragraph 3 discusses the use of leashes and collars with regard to Senior and Master dogs. The statement is generic and relies on the reader having read and understood the previously quoted chapter/section/paragraph.
A choke chain is allowed on the grounds. A choke chain is allowed on the dog UP TO the last holding blind in all three test levels. It is CRYSTAL clear that the only collar that can be on a Junior dog when it runs is a flat buckle collar; no collars allowed from the holding blind to the line with Senior and Master dogs.
Oh...and the prod that Paul is trying so clumsily to use is not allowed on the grounds either.... :lol:
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Chapter 1, Section 12, paragraph 2 discusses the kinds of collars that cannot be on the grounds at an AKC HT (or any AKC event for that matter). The choke collar is not on that list.
Chapter 3, Section 5, paragraph 3 discusses the use of leashes and collars with regard to Senior and Master dogs. The statement is generic and relies on the reader having read and understood the previously quoted chapter/section/paragraph.
A choke chain is allowed on the grounds. A choke chain is allowed on the dog UP TO the last holding blind in all three test levels. It is CRYSTAL clear that the only collar that can be on a Junior dog when it runs is a flat buckle collar; no collars allowed from the holding blind to the line with Senior and Master dogs.
Oh...and the prod that Paul is trying so clumsily to use is not allowed on the grounds either.... :lol:
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Oh i got news for you. When you go to a HT in the NW with Aquadog, Bubba, Tellus, the Roseburg Rowdies and myself, proddin is gonna happen. Ain't no rule a'gin it either...K G said:
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/Paul, when is that? Are you running in Umpqua in June? Coming up to Salem in three weeks?Gun_Dog2002 said:
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I got dogs entered in the double header over memorial day and Umpqua is my home club so I run dogs and work. I'm gonna skip Salem this year, I figure I should probably train these mutts before running them.Ron in Portland said:
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I have had a few judges and wannabe judges ask me to remove the choke chain while walking dog through the blinds in Jr. Stakes. Why would it be against a rule for Jr. but not the Sr. or Master? Some Jr. judges are stricter than other Master judges I suppose.
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Yes,but does one really want to get in a rules wizzin match with a judge before even running? Maybe ask at the handlers meeting if its that important to you.
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