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"Line" to the Blind

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How many feel that the line to the blind is a laser line from the handlers side to the bird.If you will, explain why you feel that way.

How many feel otherwise, if you will,will you also explain what you think "it" is and why you feel that way.

john
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Is it the callbacks part that you don't understand, John? Failure of the series? Cumulative faults? Can't win the trial even if he runs the next series?

Tell you what, John....you judge how you want to judge....you're going to anyway.

I've wasted my RTF time on Guthrie today. I'm done.

kg
K G said:
Is it the callbacks part that you don't understand, John? Failure of the series? Cumulative faults? Can't win the trial even if he runs the next series?

kg
In the context of this thread, judging the "line" and which dogs hold it well enough so as not fail outright.
I'm OK with the call backs part, also with the outright failure, and failing through the accumulation of faults.

That last one, I'll have to admit has me a little puzzled.

Will you expand on that ?
Can the dog not then "Back door" into a placement ?
Who, when you judge, normally falls into that category. :wink:

Have you ever not given out any of the placements regards

john
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Have you ever not given out any of the placements regards
Never. Any assignment I've ever completed had all four placements awarded.

kg
K G said:
Have you ever not given out any of the placements regards
Never. Any assignment I've ever completed had all four placements awarded.

kg
Quit at 3rd series of a derby because I and co judge did not think 4 dogs of remaining 6 would finish and have placements

I thought last year they had 1st-3rd and jams cant remember for sure or maybe just the 1-3 were all that finished
1st, 2nd, 3rd and jams cannot be awarded. 4th place MUST be awarded if jams are going to be awarded after 1st thru 3rd.....or, as you stated, no jams may be awarded if a 4th place is not going to be awarded.

Quit at 3rd series of a derby because I and co judge did not think 4 dogs of remaining 6 would finish and have placements
That has happened several times in Derbies. Sometimes the field is not up to the challenge.

kg
Steve Amrein said:
you would loose the dog until in pooped up on top of the hill.

Requiring a dog to get on a point is one thing. Requiring him to poop up on top of a hill is just too picky! :wink: :D
To all you "laser line" aficionados.

Are we to understand that when one of you say, "that dog lined the Blind, you are saying that the dog was actualy under the "laser" line the entire length of the Blind.

The line to the blind is not a line at all, but a strip, narr........ regards

john
John Fallon said:
when one of you say, "that dog lined the Blind
I think that it is a case of perspective, when I say that it means the handler lined his dog on the line and sent the dog and without whistles the dog ran on or nearly on line without a whistle the entire lenght of the blind. Perfection is not possible but an outstanding job is, a 10 on a scale of 1-10.
Here is one that discusses the line to the Blind

john
To all you "laser line" aficionados.

Are we to understand that when one of you say, "that dog lined the Blind, you are saying that the dog was actualy under the "laser" line the entire length of the Blind.

The line to the blind is not a line at all, but a strip, narr........ regards

john
Well, John for some this is the bullseye



and for others this is the bullseye



The line is the line.

/paul
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in HT'S the line is a straight line.

the FAIRWAY is a diamond shape with the widest portion at halfway. this is the area your dog needs to be within to get a really good score and contains all the elements the judges want to see you and your dog negotiate.

your dog should be getting closer to the true line as it approaches the bird in the "back half" portion of the blind.

in FT's the line is a straight line also.

the fairway is determined by how close the dogs keep to the straight line relative to one another.-paul
FTR&SP said:
On "blind retrieves", wherever possible, the judges should plan their tests in such a way that they take advantage of NATURAL HAZARDS, such as islands, points of land, sand bars, ditches, hedges, small bushes, adjacent heavy cover, and rolling terrain. Despite such natural distractions, it should be possible, at least in theory, for a dog to "find" a well-planned blind-retrieve ON THE INITIAL LINE FROM HIS HANDLER; that he will do so is highly improbable because of the natural hazards, so he must be handled to the "blind". Nevertheless, the test should be so planned that the dog should be "IN-SIGHT" continously. A blind retieve is a test of control, & a dog which is out of sight for a considerable period cannot be said to be under control. Utilizing natural hazards should obviate the need for Judges issuing special instructions about the manner of completing a blind retrieve, other than to "get the meat" by the shortest, fastest, or most direct route. [/QUOTE}

FTR&SP for Retrievers - Sept 2006, Page 41, 3rd paragraph
Lining the blind: The dog was sent, retrieved the bird and never deviated to the point of needing to handled.

As a handler or a judge my decision as to that "point of deviation" may differ from yours. There are many factors that enter into the decision to handle: the level of competition, the terrain,etc. As a handler sometimes it's just the gambler in me.

Tim
I posted this earlier, but I'll put it up again for those who did not go back and read the entire thread
The "STANDARD PROCEDURE FOR NON-SLIP
RETRIEVER TRIALS" clearly defines the responsibility
of Judges, and makes no mention of the field ................

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It is recommended that a Judge should have clearly
in mind, and for each test, precisely what type of performance
he expects, since such work will merit a high
rating in his records. Then he should observe, and
record, in what respects and to what degrees the performances
by individual dogs have either exceeded or
fallen short of that previously established "par", in each
test.
Hence, when the stake is completed, several
Judges will arrive at their final decision about placings
on the basis of which dog, relatively, did better work
than another in each of the several series.

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FTR&SP said:
On "blind retrieves", wherever possible, the judges should plan their tests in such a way that they take advantage of NATURAL HAZARDS, such as islands, points of land, sand bars, ditches, hedges, small bushes, adjacent heavy cover, and rolling terrain. Despite such natural distractions, it should be possible, at least in theory, for a dog to "find" a well-planned blind-retrieve ON THE INITIAL LINE FROM HIS HANDLER; that he will do so is highly improbable because of the natural hazards, so he must be handled to the "blind". Nevertheless, the test should be so planned that the dog should be "IN-SIGHT" continously. A blind retieve is a test of control, & a dog which is out of sight for a considerable period cannot be said to be under control. Utilizing natural hazards should obviate the need for Judges issuing special instructions about the manner of completing a blind retrieve, other than to "get the meat" by the shortest, fastest, or most direct route.
FTR&SP for Retrievers - Sept 2006, Page 41, 3rd paragraph
Is this a generally accepted course of judging blinds in hunt tests also?

Evan
I posted this earlier, but I'll put it up again for those who did not go back and read the entire thread
The "STANDARD PROCEDURE FOR NON-SLIP
RETRIEVER TRIALS" clearly defines the responsibility
of Judges, and makes no mention of the field ................

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It is recommended that a Judge should
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This first part of the statement really jumps out at me.
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