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Am trying to duplicate my line bred harley female. Lots of drive, style, smarts, and with loads of bottom. Have a Cosmo/Fargo female pup now that is 7 mos. old, smart and stylish but EXTREMELY sensitive and licky. Need advice on which current lines have similar characteristics as my Harley paying particular attention to dogs with bottom, especially females. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks to all.
 

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Well played...that was a good one! I'd suggest chopper...
Chopper, son of Carbon. Go to the well; Carbon had bottom. Look at other Carbon offspring in addition to Chopper.
 

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Serious question from me.... And EXCUSE ME if its a bit on the stupid side.

What does it mean for a dog to have a lot of "bottom'?

And why focus on the females?

Please!! I,m serious!! Its a serious question!!

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GOOSER: At the risk of setting myself up. I'll give you my opinion of what bottom means to me and females.

You said you were serious.:confused:

Bottom as (in my world) referrers to the dogs ability to take pressure AND still maintain a good training attitude.

Females in many cases will have "Heart" but lack bottom.

That's the Readers Digest version I hope it helps.

Disclaimer: That is my thoughts on bottom others. I'm sure have a different opinion.
 

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Gooser, I think he's focusing on females because he wants a female and the chances of getting a female with bottom increase if the dam has/throws bottom.

Hopefully others will chime in but, for me, I equate bottom a little bit with fearlessness. A dog has bottom when he can handle the pressure of training (not just collar pressure, there are lots of other types of pressures, even a long, out to sea, swim can cause pressure) and not sulk, quit, shut down, but instead, is ready to line up and go again. They take corrections well, learn from them and go right back out with style and enthusiasm.

Just my .02 cents worth of opinion
 

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I have an almost 10 month old Merlyn x Esprit's Power Play daughter that is showing she can take and respond to pressure.Very Stylish.It's one thing to take pressure but they have to learn from it too.Lost some marking after FF but may have been to 3 week lay off because of the wettest spring in Oregon history.Been with the trainer for a month and still keeps on ticking.Loves where she's at.Neat little dog.
 

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Bottom to me is mental and physical toughness, the ability to stay focused and on task under tough conditions. I would hazard a guess that there have not been many,if any, great dogs that lacked the trait.
 

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I have a female out of howdy ( watermarks Texas welcome) that was rock solid under pressure. FF was a breeze with her as she never seemed to lose focus.
 

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GOOSER: I'll give you my opinion of what bottom means to me and females.
Bottom as (in my world) referrers to the dogs ability to take pressure AND still maintain a good training attitude.
Females in many cases will have "Heart" but lack bottom.
That's a good description of bottom. Look at my avatar. She's got bottom.
 

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Many of them look like they have bottom going through basics until they start coming into heat. Then you see what you really have when the hormones kick in. It's very difficult to say what lines have bottom. Best bet would be to look for a hard running female and take a chance but I have seen that too not work out from an NFC
 

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What I call bottom is when the dog comes to the line in the last series of an AA trial (or in my case an AA training set up), stares out at that big water test, and you can see it in them that they really want it. Especially when lining up for that last, long bird with a big swim between her and the bird.

Some dogs act like they don't want to give you the 2nd to last bird because they know what remains. These dogs lack bottom.

On 100 yard marks bottom is probably not an issue. Its the big AA set-ups where you really need it.

At least by my definition anyway.
 
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