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I am looking for a stud dog that is black, yellow factored or yellow. Must be an FC and or AFC or national, to breed to my yellow NAFC Cropper female. She is 8.5 yo so I don't want to ship her again or do an AI if at all possible. She has been bred to FC Dusty and I really liked his pups, so that was a nice cross. I plan to keep a pup so it would be nice to aviod Lean Mac or have him a few gens back to keep my breeding options open with the pup in the future. (I AM a Lean Mac fan) I would drive 10 hours or so to get it done if need be. I am in NE Louisiana. Watermarks the Boss was a possibility, but he passed away two weeks ago. Heat cycle due in about April or May.
Any suggestions? Thanks, Paul
 

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Might want to consider FC/AFC Trumarcs Storman Norman, owned by Mark Rosenblum and trained by Danny Farmer. Norman is out of Cosmo, and is a VERY nice dog. Was fourth place in Amateur All Age standings this year with 24 1/2 points. I don't think Norman has ever been bred and Mark told me he would cut somebody a very nice deal to get some breedings for him. That was last fall and that might have changed, but he will definitely be in your driving distance, and Danny runs trials in your area. Danny recommended Norman to me from the dogs on his truck when I was choosing a sire for Gracie last summer. Norman is only four and will be a player for quite a while. He's a very calm dog for a Cosmo son, and has a great water ethic. I judged him with Mitch Patterson when he won the Open that titled him. He was the only dog to stay in the water and dig out the long retired in the last series. Fought a 25 mph crosswind to stay in and win the trial.
 

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I haven't been able to find any evidence that Norman has OFA or CERF clearances and neither has his mother. Only one pup from that litter has OFA clearances. That might be the reason no one wants to breed to him.
 

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As an aside (don't mean to hijack thread) I know of one breeder who drove over 1800 miles to get a natuaral breeding for her AFC bitch -- now that's what I call dedication
 

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ducksoup said:
As an aside (don't mean to hijack thread) I know of one breeder who drove over 1800 miles to get a natuaral breeding for her AFC bitch -- now that's what I call dedication

Back when I first bred my YLF to FC-AFC Jamie, we drove from Bryan, TX (90 mi NW of Houston) to Louisville, KY in order to do a live breeding. I kept a male from that litter who went on to run the 05 Master National. 8)


You might ask Steve or Emily if they have any Jamie offspring with an FC title. You would get Lean Mac in the pedigree, but it would be 3 generations back...
 

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Paul here are a few you can drive to.

FC AFC High Tech Ceo on Forry's Truck in SC for the winter

FC AFC Esprit's Power Play "Pow" in TX for the winter

AFC Hawkeye's Viking not sure where but runs FT in FL and GA.

FC Colonel Bowies Revenge (Yellow) is on Karl Gunzer's truck

FC AFC Forland's Bored Out Ford

CNFC FC AFC Comstock's Bodaceous is on Alan Pleasant's truck in NC

FC My Name is Bocephus

FC Hawkeye's Red White & Blue "Banner" on Dave Mosher's truck winters in South East TX and I believe is running a FT soon in LA.
 

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Just out of curiosity, how many times has this bitch been bred?
 

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Hookset said:
Just out of curiosity, how many times has this bitch been bred?
Looks like every time some comes in heat according to the classified page

Hmmm - I sure didn't get that impression. This looks like a nice bitch being bred to top of the line sires. I see nothing to indicate anything like "breeding every heat cycle" going on here...
 

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CNBarnes said:
chester said:
Hookset said:
Just out of curiosity, how many times has this bitch been bred?

Hmmm - I sure didn't get that impression. This looks like a nice bitch being bred to top of the line sires. I see nothing to indicate anything like "breeding every heat cycle" going on here...

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Alex, are you looking for him as a stud? I bred my Cropper bitch to him three times and got some super pups. Paul
This is a quote from Paul on another post about FC AFC Jamie, therefore from what I can count Zoie is now 8 years old, she has been bred to Jamie 3 times, Dusty once and Gunner once. That is a grand total of 5 litters and now he is looking to breed her again for the 6th time. Theoretically you shouldn’t breed a dog before she is 2 years old, that would pretty much put her as having 5 back to back litters and now going for another. She is his dog and he can breed her as many times as he wants to. I was just answering the question from Hookset of how many times she has been bred.
No criticism intended! Paul has chosen some outstanding studs to breed his female to.
 

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I would say on average dogs have 2 heat cycles a year and if he waited until she was 2 and now 8 that 6 yrs diff with around 2 heats ayear that 12 heat cycles right?I am not very good at math.But if you look at it previous post it does look like she has been bred her last 3 heats.Last Gunner before than dusty and jaime befor that and now looking for another.Isnt 8 time to stop.I know alot of reputable breeders that dont breed past 6.I have heard alot of good stuff about this breeder also so I am not saying anything bad about him.
 

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3 times to Jamie
1 time to Dusty
1 time to Gunner
=5 litters, plus this one he's planning equals 6
I believe that this will be Zoie's last litter.

Isnt 8 time to stop.I know alot of reputable breeders that dont breed past 6.
Do you means breedings or age?
 

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she is actually almost 9.I would think that is too old to be having litters,isnt it pretty hard on a 9 yr old having puppies.Again I am not trying to start anything I just want to be educated on it.I also was going to ask, he has breed to 3 really nice studs,have you not seen anything in the pups that makes you want to go back to one of those studs again for repeat?What makes you want to find another stud?Distance?you want a particular line?
 

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Have you kept anything from any of the past litters?

Why would you breed a dog this Old?
Thats like a 60 year old woman having a child. sorry to sound critical but no one has asked why?
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This is none of my business nor is it really any of our business but, there is a very well known and highly respected person on this forum that took part in breeding his/their female at I believe 9 1/2. She was an awesome producer and I highly doubt that her owners would have bred her if they thought it would be too much for her. She just happens to be the dam of about 14 titled dogs and grand dam of around a dozen titled dogs with many more to come.

Again, not my business just saying. I am confident that the person I am refering to knew exaclty what they were doing.
 

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Normon is a very nice dog and was that way from square one. I remember him as a youngster on my first winter trip 03-04. Super nice dog and great in the water Like most Cosmo's spawn. I would like to see him now. Im almost sure he has been bred. Also a great dog to be around.
 

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Why would you breed a dog this Old?
you are obviously kidding, eh?.........you have a probelm with breeding an 8 year old bitch who has good puppies and loves being a mother?.....

no anthropomorphism (the representation of objects or animals as having human form or traits ) regards :wink:
 

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I guess it is fine then.I am glad Dr ED cleared that up.I was curious.What is an age you would start to consider not breeding a good producer and mother.The female in question looks like she had really good offspring with jaime,does he have any littermates to possibly breed to?
 

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I"m just curious as to why so many people are putting in their .02 that is neither constructive nor on topic. I know Paul, he knows his dog, her capabilities and knows what he's doing as well. If you can't offer advice on the topic, leave it alone!

Just sayin'
 

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Dash

Another person on here mentioned FC-AFC-CNFC-CAFC Comstocks Bodacious (Dash). Dash is a awesome animal that is always a contender. I think that he finished 4 Nationals in a row (U.S. & Canadian combined). Also, won the 05 Canadian National. Very good looking dog also. He has only been bred about 6 or 7 times so far. The Marshall's didn't start breeding him, until after the Canadian National win. I know that he is out of Maxx, that might be too close for you. He is definitely yellow factored. I have personally seen a litter of his pups, and have followed what they have been doing. The female is a HRCH (1 Grand Pass) and has some Derby & Qual. Jams in very limited trialing. A couple of those pups are with FT pros and are doing extremely well. Pups are around 1 year old now. Just a little input from what I have seen from him. Definitely, if Maxx in 2nd generation is not too close, should definitely look at Dash pretty hard.
 
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