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I have to start my training for Master HT.
What are some things to key in on? Things that would be most important to train for?

If the judges have 2 marks and 2 blinds in the same series....one mark out then go for a blind. Come back in another mark out go for second blind then go for the marks can you tell your dog to leave IT! on the marks while at the line. Like saying no bird... Or when you raise your hand as a sign for the judges you can't say anything to your dog. That is considered a controled break if you talk to your dog on the line.
 

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As soon as the mark or marks are down and the judge releases you, you can talk to your dog. From the time you signal for the birds until the judge releases you, you can not talk to your dog.
 

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SamLab1 said:
As soon as the mark or marks are down and the judge releases you, you can talk to your dog. From the time you signal for the birds until the judge releases you, you can not talk to your dog.
The above, IMHO, is a rule I do not agree with. These are Hunt Tests, simulated (?) hunting situations. We all talk to our dogs while hunting don't we?
My dogs favorite thing to hear is "Do you want the rest of this ham biscuit"? :lol:
Chomp!
 

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When I trained a dog The all-age stakes were my goal. I didn't have atraining program for a stake just competed when they were ready. I had a set of notes I used that described Rex Carr's routine. Do the basics then move on to handling and diversions while training mark setups.
 

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SamLab1 said:
As soon as the mark or marks are down and the judge releases you, you can talk to your dog. From the time you signal for the birds until the judge releases you, you can not talk to your dog.
Sam is correct, but I think he said it badly. 8)


Before you signal you are ready, you CAN speak to your dog.

After the judge calls your dog's number, you CAN speak to your dog.


It is only BETWEEN those times you cannot speak to them.
 

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So lets say this is the test

I get to the line and set up. Tell the dog to sit!

The blind has been planted
Mark one goes off. The judge calls my number to go.

And now before I send the dog ...can I say no ( or leave it )on the mark that was threw out. Then send the dog to the blind.

Or do I just have to position my dog for the blind and hope that they don't go for the mark. Without saying any thing?

I'm no real sure how this works. I hope I'm explaining it right.
 

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Poison bird blind? I say "no bird", "here", reposition the dog on the line that is to the blind, say "dead bird", "right there", and "back", then the dog line's the blind, I stick out my chest, pound on it like an ape, and go back to the truck :roll: . I'd say the word "no" can be construed as intimadation by some judge's if a loud tone is used, so ask the judge's after the test dog is run to see if they will drop you for the word?
 

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:shock: Now I see
and can say I learned something today.

I never new after the judges called out your number you could talk to your dog.
Say No Bird or Leave It...that's good to know.

Thank you.
 

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saabisil said:
So lets say this is the test

I get to the line and set up. Tell the dog to sit!

The blind has been planted
Mark one goes off. The judge calls my number to go.

And now before I send the dog ...can I say no ( or leave it )on the mark that was threw out. Then send the dog to the blind.

Yes, you can say No. (or "No bird").
 

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Has all of this evolved from the line in the rulebook that states that you cannot speak to steady your dog after you signal for the marks? Just curious and too lazy to dig through the entire book.
 

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From what I under stand you can tell your dog to (leave it) or (no bird) AFTER the judge releases you or calls your number. I am going to ask the judges on my first test before I do it. Just to be safe.
 
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saabisil said:
From what I under stand you can tell your dog to (leave it) or (no bird) AFTER the judge releases you or calls your number. I am going to ask the judges on my first test before I do it. Just to be safe.
Once the judges call your number, you and your dog have satisfied their requirements for steadiness. If your dog leaves as the judge is calling dog, they're "ok" TECHNICALLY and LEGALLY (maybe not TRAINING-LY LOL).

Once the judge says "dog" in ANY setup, you can talk to your dog, maneuver your dog, reheel your dog, etc. The only thing that could penalize you here is "excessive lining"... so if you fidget too long between when the judge calls dog and you send your dog, it could be construed that your dog is not cooperative or trainable, etc.

Times I will talk to my dog after the judge releases us to work:
1) poison bird blind
2) dog is not properly focused on go bird
3) dog has crept or moved (even if judge hasn't asked for re-heel)

Those are the main ones...

-K
 

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Thanks for that.
That was very clear.
All this time I thought once you raised your hand to signal you are ready. That was it, you couldn't do much about it but hope for the best. Now all I have to do is start my training for master hunt tests. As soon as some of this snow melts I am on it.

In your opinion is it to hard to have 2 dogs participating in the same hunt test. One in senior and 1 in master. Or is about the same as having 2 in senior. As for time in between the 2 different test. Are Master tests going to take up most of my time at the hunt test.
 

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For someone that has a nice web site and a purported mission statement of specializing in training hunt test dogs, I detect a lack of knowledge in HTs. So much for truth in advertising. Perhaps the author should attend a few. He might find people happy to explain the game to him.
 

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What Attribute???

Chris B. What natural or trained attribute does not being able to speak to your dog on the line test? Steadiness as suggested or just another catch phrase to allow over officious judges to eliminate teams? As a judge would you drop or warn a newbie? a Pro? or a seasoned handler?

Curious in snowy Michigan regards
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:x Hey thanks for your opinion. I'm glad there is someone out there that knows everthing. This way for the people like me that are starting up I know where to go for an answer.

And if you did look at the web site you could see I have ATTENDED a few hunt tests.
And if you read it you would have seen where it says to call about MASTER test. Then I would have been more than happy to tell anyone who calls I'm not up to that level yet.

If you don't start somewhere than you will never get anywhere.

But then there is some people like ( ltsolwhat ) that just find it easy to but people down.
When I get as good as you!???? I know I will be more willing to help than to give smart A-- comments.
 

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Re: What Attribute???

bruce said:
Chris B. What natural or trained attribute does not being able to speak to your dog on the line test? Steadiness as suggested or just another catch phrase to allow over officious judges to eliminate teams? As a judge would you drop or warn a newbie? a Pro? or a seasoned handler?

This is an area where the judge has ZERO leaway in interpreting.

It's like a break - if you do it, you're out. Doesn't matter if you're a pro, an amateur, or a first time newbie.


Note that I did not make a judgment on whether or not I agreed with the rule or not in my previous post. It doesn't matter if I agree with it - when I agree to judge, I sign an affidavit that I will judge according to the rule book.
 

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That is where it was never real clear, to me anyway. I have never had any judge say it was OK or you could talk to your dog after I send you or call your number. It wasn't even a question I would have asked. I just do my best to make sure the dog or dogs stay on the line and don't break. I didn't think there was any real need to adjust my possion. Until I read about poison bird blinds. Which I have never seen, As an amateur with a full time job and my own company. It's tuff to get to a lot of hunt test each year. I would say we do about 6 to 10 test each spring to fall. Plus this is only my third year of participating in the hunt test game. I was mostly training to hunt with my dogs.

Not much to hunt for in PA in the lines of birds. Unless you like turkey. So I started training for hunt test and fell in love with the sport and most of the people involved. Most every one you meet is real nice and more than willing to help or give you advice. That's what is so cool about this site. MOST everyone is willing to give you advice.

Thank you all for your advice.
 
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