They were down in Cairo, GA training at Cedar Hill Retrievers (David Barnes). I was actually coming out to check on my pup that is with David. Pulled in and saw alot of Dog rigs and people and thought "lots of guys out here today' Got out of the truck and lo and behold, stepped into the Big Time. Andy and Paul were very nice, said to come out with them anytime while they are wintering here. Saw some very impressive dogs running. Very helpful guys willing to answer even my relatively novice questions. Jim VanEngen winters here also and he has been very friendly whenever I see him. Impressive that these big name guys are so down to earth. Motivating day to say the least.