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So as we have gone completely of course in the ALCOHOL Thread, and obviously want to continue to talk about Master hunt tests and issues with them. A timely post popped up on my FB and more proposed changes to make the master nationals "more?-or less" accessible. What think You?

Proposal #1 Split Event proposal: This proposal would allow the Board to select and conduct more than one test per year to manage the numbers at any given test site location. Rests would not necessarily be conducted at the exact same time allowing for cooler climates to run earlier in the fall as an example. The bylaws change needed to make this change is identified in Article 1 Section 2b.


Proposal #2 Limited Entry proposal: The Board would be charged with identifying a capped or limited number of dogs that a host site could accommodate, then manage to that number. (Attached is a document explaining how this capped or limited entry would be implemented.) The bylaws change needed to make this change is identified in Article IX Section 3, 4c.


Proposal #3 Administrative and Governance revisions/updates: Purpose of this proposal is to clean up the wording and definitions as highlighted in the attached bylaw revision proposal. In addition the Board is proposing a change to add two additional First Vice Presidents that would help in managing the overall size of the event, these changes are identified in Article VII Section 3 a, b, c, d and e.
 

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Going to be interesting in how they go..

2 events would be nice to split it up for travel .
But once you take away from it being 1 even its not a National event anymore,
 

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The purpose of an AKC master hunt test is to determine if a dog has been trained to meet certain standards of performance. Weekend hunt tests are by design “non-competitive”.
What is the purpose of the master national other than to ensure that people keep spending money on weekend tests?
 

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The purpose of an AKC master hunt test is to determine if a dog has been trained to meet certain standards of performance. Weekend hunt tests are by design “non-competitive”.
What is the purpose of the master national other than to ensure that people keep spending money on weekend tests?
I suspect for many who have dogs that run field trials or hunt tests it basically boils down to three little letters, e g o (to some degree), especially considering a vast majority of both master national dogs and field trial dogs are trained by use of a professional trainer.

For those who train their own dogs, ego probably plays a roll, but I also believe the challenge and enjoyment stemming from training one's own dog comes into play.

MHO
 

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J. and then add travel equity and infastructure ie. Lodging, food and all that is required outside the event itself.
 

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If they looked into developing a land acquisition entity composed of pro trainers, experienced amateur trainers, and representatives from AKC, and UKC, THAT would be interestng.

There were about 100,000 separate entries in AKC and UKC retriever events (field trials/hunt tests) last year (2021). Based on 100,000 entries per year, a $10 land acquisition fee per entry is a million dollars a year. Think of if pointer/setter/spaniel/versatile hunting breeds also got involved in paying for land acquisition.

Wouldn't earning $1 million per year for land acquisition, year after year, resolve some of the issues of not having enough venues for the large events? (Yeah, given lots of costs to pay, the $1 million would probably shrink to $850,000. But so what? Land isn't getting any cheaper and some lands might even qualify for conservation grants/programs., etc., etc., etc.)

Just saying there have got to be lots of people smarter than me who could set this up. If Pheasants Forever can be an organization that acquires land, why can't some organization named Retrievers Forever or Bird Dogs Forever be an organization that acquires land?

Just askin'.
Love the idea ! Great post !
 

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J. and then add travel equity and infastructure ie. Lodging, food and all that is required outside the event itself.
I am not quite understanding what you posted? Are you saying the land must be close to hotels, restaurants, etc? Yes, I agree that is a consideration.

I am just saying that a 3-year $10 entry fee subsidy for every entrant in an AKC/UKC retriever hunt test/field trial could earn about $3 million total. Assume a $300,000 annual expense for various legal/insurance/acquisition fees, and you are still looking at $2.1 million in 3 years. I think there are places in the U.S. where $2.1 million will buy you some decent retriever test land.

As far as maintenance, etc., if the land is decent enough, I am sure you could charge retriever pros or amateurs a yearly subscription price to train and even lease for upland hunting to certain states.

I'm just saying no one is making any more land and Pheasants Forever and other conservation groups have realized that. Maybe time for retriever test/trial enthusiasts to realize it too?
 

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So in three years will the + or - 200 acres purchased be within a 10 minute drive of my house or your house?
Hopefully, mine. :)

Whatever. Won't make any difference to me if retriever folks don't care to purchase land for their activities/test/trials/national championships. Most of them could give a crap about preserving hunting land/resources/bird and duck habitat.

The pros will have the land and dictate the test/trial rules. Money talks. :)
 

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Hopefully, mine. :)

Whatever. Won't make any difference to me if retriever folks don't care to purchase land for their activities/test/trials/national championships. Most of them could give a crap about preserving hunting land/resources/bird and duck habitat.

The pros will have the land and dictate the test/trial rules. Money talks. :)
Really?
When and where are retriever folks being prevented from purchasing land for their activities/test/trials/national championships?

If that were true we would not have been able to have ever been able to had land for our dog related activities/test/trials/national championships?
The reality is that people have been using land for their activities/test/trials/national championships for all of my lifetime and centuries before me.
I have1000's of acres that is used for dog training, by myself and many others.
Anyone who asks can train on it free of charge; just leave it the way you found it.
I am aware of lots of others who do the same all over the country.

Are there any other SOCIALISTIC pet projects of yours that you would like to fund with a surcharge on entry fees; that all would have to pay for and would be conveniently located within 10 miles of you?
 

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Do you have a family member who reads your posts or can review them?
Never a bad idea to have a neutral party review what might be construed as inflamatory or derogatory remarks.

Perhaps TF lives nearby and would allow you to train on his (her?) property? I'd certainly like to know if this property is near SC MO... but am doubtful - and based upon how this person has treated me in the past I doubt I would be invited anyway. LOL Then again, maybe I already have, and just didn't know it.....hahahahaha!

As to adding a cost to entry fees... not particularly ideal, IMO - but from one idea come others. Brainstorming is not bad.
 
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