Also I believe I have only asked one other person but I could be wrong. :roll:
This strikes me as strange. When else do we get a second chance. "Ah Judge do you mind if I just try that honor again" as the dog sets sail for the breaking bird, or "Ah, judge do you mind if we just try the memory bird again" when fido is off in the next county.K G said:If the working dog handler is making too much noise trying to control their dog coming to the line, the working dog judge needs to have the intestinal fortitude to tell that handler to go back to the holding blind and try coming the line again UNDER CONTROL,
Nowhere did I suggest that the handler could ask permission. Look at the "honor" thread and you'll see my statement about what you should expect if you ask the judge for an interference call. Any handler that has control issues out the blind is going to attempt to get their dog under control, especially with that "tractably at heel" wording in the regs/guidelines. This was a Senior hunting test. As stated in the HT regs/guidelines, the judges are in control of the testing. Asking a handler at ANY test level to take a dog back to the holding blind puts them and the dog on notice: "Come out of the blind under control, or you may be excused." Judges have a lot of discretion when it comes to making those decisions. You'll see that too when you start to judge.This strikes me as strange. When else do we get a second chance. "Ah Judge do you mind if I just try that honor again" as the dog sets sail for the breaking bird, or "Ah, judge do you mind if we just try the memory bird again" when fido is off in the next county.
They are indeed under judgement at that time...JUDGEMENT being the key word. When you're in the chair, you can pick from those three options only if you so choose. Might want to check with your co-judge before you do, though. :wink:I thought dog and handler were under judgment from when they left the blind until they were behind the judges. Ignore it, Score it, or Zero it seems more appropriate
I would probably tend to give less leeway at the Junior level because the dogs can come to the line under gentle restraint with a flat buckle collar. Any Junior handler that choose to come to the line off-lead is taking their entry fee into their own hands. The second chances you're referring to have to do with unfairness and reruns AFTER the birds go down/the test starts, not on the way to the line. :wink:Possibly a little more leeway in the junior stakes might be appropriate, but I was not aware that the regs and guidelines gave second chances except in cases of no birds unfairness and re-runs.
ChrisRobt said:I am not a hunter so according to many on this forum have no business even considering becoming a judge.
Honestly, imho, no, you're not.Because I don't hunt, am I not a suitable candidate to become and AKC judge??
Several years ago I was invited to bring my first IWS to a "youth hunt" (no, we wern't hunting kids, but the season opened a week early for kids to try hunting). They needed dogs to work with the kids so I brought Pip along. He had never done anything like this, but easily quartered the field in front of myself, the kid and his dad and another experienced gunner (who was watching for gun safety). Pip missed the first planted pheasant, but found and flushed the second; the kid missed and Pip was most disappointed when it flew away. Now he knew what he was looking for and easily found that first pheasant; he flushed it and the kid winged it. pip found and flushed the pheasant again and the kid missed. On the third flush, the kid killed the bird and when it came down, Pip pounced on it-I'm sure he wanted to make sure it didn't get away again. The kid was worried that Pip would harm the bird, but I reassured him and told him to ask Pip to "give" him the bird.CNBarnes said:Christine:
No reply to my suggestion that you might want to go hunting?