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Tere was a big thing on the news yesterday and I heard it again on one of the good morning america type shows this morning that after several years and several different studies,they show that chondroiton has no effect on joints or bones.They said the glucosamine had some mind effects but had not different effects with the chond. combined and there were no effects of chond. by itsself.This was a study on humans and people with bone and joint diseases and starting stages of arthritis.I know it is not dogs but figured it was close.
 

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Well, if affects the mind - then it did a good job. Before it, my Chessie male was hardly able to walk at all. After, he was running and playing like a pup. It was a huge difference - no matter how it worked.

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I had a 12 yr old golden act like a 8 yr old golden on just one tablet a day...........magic dust is what I call it.
 

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Are these testimonials you guys are giving of Gluc & Chon or just Chond? I think the thread starter was getting that the Chon. showed now improvement. Maybe its the Gluc. that help you and your dogs. My dog seemed to greatly improve over three months on the combo of both, so it could have just been the gluco. She had cracked her pelvis and had some arthritis from it, not anymore.

Anybody know about the MSM stuff?
 

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As time goes by, you will "discover" there are 'studies', 'findings', 'scientific data', to explain almost any view one wants to side with.

My all time favorite was the headline "MOTHER'S MILK FOUND TO BE KILLING THEIR BABIES." These things come down the pike like algores lunacy on global warming. It's always alarmist, and usually serves the purpose of someone seeking a grant for their opinions.

My concern isn't that these type 'reports' continue, but that we have far too large a population in this country that buy into them. As the dumbing down of our society continues, the more idiotic the claim, the larger the numbers of followers.

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My dog had intermittent back pain from what I believe to probably be stenosis or a bulging disc. (Our consulting ortho vet at LSU preliminarily diagnosed stenosis).

The LSU ortho vet suggested we try Glucosamine and MSM (Synovi by DVM Pharmaceuticals) before surgery just to see if it would help, since surgery was invasive and he wanted to try all options before going in.

It's been almost a miracle. She hasn't had any pain, that I can see, since. 8) And NO surgery!
 

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Uncle Bill,

I work for a pulmonologist, and one of the things he has taught me is that there are a lot of bad studies out there, and that folks should learn to look for small sample populations and unrepeatable studies and should disregard them if they aren't up to snuff.
 

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MRGD said:
Are these testimonials you guys are giving of Gluc & Chon or just Chond?

Anybody know about the MSM stuff?
OOPS!!! Now I'm arming myself wih facts. I went and checked. What I take is Glucosamine and MSM. It's Doc E's stuff. It works for me. HPW
 

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That's what I am trying on one of my old dogs now is the MSM and Glucosamine. She's not been on it long enough yet to know anything.
 

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Giving a powdered supplement of Gluco/Chondritin/MSM. It helps my oldest dog a lot.
 

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I give my old girl a supplement called "joint aid" (not sure if you can get it in the US) which contain Glucosamine, Chondroitin and MSM plus other odds and sods. Noticed a dramatic improvement in her ability to get into and out of the Land Rover and her movement improved a lot as well. Seemed to knock four or five years off her. As it wasn't exactly cheap I stopped giving it to her after a month (managed to convince myself it couldn't have been the joint aid :roll: ) and low and behold she got worse, struggled getting into the Land rover etc.

She will now be on it till the day she dies.
 

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fowlhunter simply stated that chondroitin was shown to be ineffective........not glucosamine. Sometimes glucosamine helps, sometimes it doesn't, but generally it doesn't hurt and side effects are minimal. One main problem is chondroitin is poorly absorbed by the GI tract. So if it helps, use it, if not, save your money.
 

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I wasnt goingto think anything of it but it was more than one study that showed this but if something is working for me I wouldnt stop because of a research study.
 

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Apparently the reason that the joints feel better is that there is a pain relieving effect when you take the substances but they do not improve the situation in the joint. I had asked my specialist several years ago if it would help (I had little cartilage left in one knee). This was his answer.
 

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SueLab said:
Apparently the reason that the joints feel better is that there is a pain relieving effect when you take the substances but they do not improve the situation in the joint. I had asked my specialist several years ago if it would help (I had little cartilage left in one knee). This was his answer.
I've seen several studies that show Glucosamine Sulfate does in fact improve the situation in the joints. The condroiton is usally an addition to some kind of Glucosamine/and or MSM supplement. I don't think it adds much, if anything to the cost so who really cares. :wink:
 

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Discussion Starter · #17 ·
Heyachiro arent you a chiropractor,is there anything in your opinion or experience that has helped in humans with joint or bone issues?I figured you probably see alot of chronic people.
 
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