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Picking a breeder vs picking a breeding

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I have never gone through a breeder when finding a puppy. I've always found the right breeding for me and just not had or wanted to go that route. I see several inquiries from people wanting a reputable breeder. I can see it could be beneficial to someone that has little to no knowledge about litters. I can also see some benefits from a timing standpoint and maybe having an experienced person welping the litter. Are there other benefits that people see out there from selecting a reputable breeder?
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well - you for certain did not suggest it was a bad idea - or that it mattered.
Can you even read?
The breeding is vastly more important than who the breeder is IMO.
Where in this statement did I say that the breeder didn't matter?

I'll add this for you;
Don't get a pup from a feral bitch raising a litter in the back seat of an abandoned car.
Also a bad sign if the breeder has barns full of bitches with puppies.
Can you even read?

Where in this statement did I say that the breeder didn't matter?

I'll add this for you;
Don't get a pup from a feral bitch raising a litter in the back seat of an abandoned car.
Also a bad sign if the breeder has barns full of bitches with puppies.
I generally try take meaning from what is being discussed... in this case the differences in how puppies are raised (regardless of the actual person raising them).
Bubba's response comes to mind.
The breeding is vastly more important than who the breeder is IMO.

I disagree and I think people that raise puppies the right way would disagree as well. It would be interesting to see how recent NFC/NAFCs were raised. I read somewhere, that most of the top dogs were extremely clean in the kennel. As I understand Floyd was raised in in a nurturing environment.

It’s almost like the recent switch to raising to raising puppies/dogs inside the house VS the old, “the dog won’t have any respect for me if he sleeps on the bed” philosophy.

The best possible scenario is a great breeding, and a great puppy foundation from day one.
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I disagree and I think people that raise puppies the right way would disagree as well. It would be interesting to see how recent NFC/NAFCs were raised. I read somewhere, that most of the top dogs were extremely clean in the kennel. As I understand Floyd was raised in in a nurturing environment.
Show me where I said that it didn't matter how puppies are raised.
Show me where I said that it didn't matter how puppies are raised.
The breeding is vastly more important than who the breeder is IMO.
And you take this to mean that the breeder is of no importance?

Perhaps I am naive. I made the assumption that nobody here would consider buying a pup if they had any reason to suspect it was not raised in a good environment.

Has anyone bought a pup without considering the pedigree because the breeder was so wonderful? NO

Sad news for breeders; the puppies out of your bitch will not attain FC/AFC titles based solely on the lovin you give them for 7 weeks.
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Are there other benefits that people see out there from selecting a reputable breeder?
Health genetics socialization and the breeding itself are all part of being “reputable “. But I would also add puppy selection, matching the right puppy to the right person. Those of us with “minority” breeds do not have many choices of breedings when looking for FT prospect. So the knowledgeable breeder becomes a bigger factor The breeder has lived with puppies 24/7 and have seen who is alpha who likes to explore who scares and who confronts….
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I think the best dog I ever had(and my accomplishments are meager) was picked up from a dude who did a grhrch bitch to fc afc blue. A BYB for sure. An acquaintance picked him up at 7 weeks, had a stroke the next day and died six weeks later. The widow asked me to buy the puppy and said, "he has languished in a crate and small pen for weeks." I had never seen the dog and didn't know the breeding until I paid her what her husband paid and she handed me the paperwork.

This puppy **** his crate and kennel everyday for months, chewed chain link in to schreds, ate a steering wheel and more. But he loved work, birds and hunting when I sold him. He had a distinguished military career and secured the Cobb county GA courthouse with his handler until his death.

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It is a crime, yes, a crime that she is not in the Hall of fame.
Mary Howley is not in the HOF?!
Mary Howley is not in the HOF?!
Nope
To me breeder vs breeding pair is probably separated by an individuals knowledge of dogs. I am waiting on my dog to be born, but I'm not involved with field trials or hunt tests, I want a good family dog that will be a good hunter. So even doing some googling and looking at dogs online, I wouldn't know what makes a good breeding etc. So when I was looking for a dog, I was looking more for a reputable breeder who others recommended that produced dogs like what I was looking for. For those of you that are much more knowledgeable about the dogs themselves and are much more intelligent in the breeding game, I can see where a breeding pair is way more important than the breeder.
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So, people are shocked Mary Howley is not in the Retriever HOF. But there are other people who think picking out Mary Howley as a breeder to go to for a puppy isn't the wisest course?

If I was going to buy a Labrador or a Golden, there are certain breeders I would seek out to 1. talk to; 2. find out if they might let me buy a puppy from one of their breedings; 3. trust them to select a puppy suitable for what I told them I hoped to do with the puppy.

Many people on this forum have VAST knowledge about dogs currently running field trials/hunt tests and VAST knowledge about pedigrees and what each individual dog in that pedigree brought to the table. But most people don't have that knowledge, including me when it comes to Labs and Goldens (and Chessies and Boykins).

Going to a breeder who is known to have produced talented, healthy dogs in the venue(s) I want to play in is a no-brainer for me. But I also want to know if certain dogs had water issues, steadiness issues, dog-to-dog aggression issues, etc. That means I need to speak to a breeder, or breeders, who actually have experience with and knowledge of the dogs in the pedigree.

Again, if you know dogs in the pedigrees and everything about them, you don't need to speak to breeders. I personally would have to do so if I went outside my own breed to buy a pup.
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To me breeder vs breeding pair is probably separated by an individuals knowledge of dogs. I am waiting on my dog to be born, but I'm not involved with field trials or hunt tests, I want a good family dog that will be a good hunter. So even doing some googling and looking at dogs online, I wouldn't know what makes a good breeding etc. So when I was looking for a dog, I was looking more for a reputable breeder who others recommended that produced dogs like what I was looking for. For those of you that are much more knowledgeable about the dogs themselves and are much more intelligent in the breeding game, I can see where a breeding pair is way more important than the breeder.
Yes.....you are part of the vast majority of puppy buyers who benefit a great deal more from diligent research for a reputable breeder, than on a particular breeding.
So, people are shocked Mary Howley is not in the Retriever HOF. But there are other people who think picking out Mary Howley as a breeder to go to for a puppy isn't the wisest course?
J. Marti, would you expand on such a stupid statement? I would say you have no idea of the impact Mary Howley has had on the Labrador Retriever breed, not just FT dogs, but on the entire Labrador breed.
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So, people are shocked Mary Howley is not in the Retriever HOF. But there are other people who think picking out Mary Howley as a breeder to go to for a puppy isn't the wisest course?
Since both statements are factual, what is the stupid part?
Drunk, good point, too strong. Not everyone should buy a puppy from Mary Howley. Who are these other people, and why is it not the wisest course? just curious.
Who are these other people, and why is it not the wisest course? just curious.
There are multiple breeders of successful Field trial dogs. I do not know what you mean by "wisest course".
If you choose to buy all your puppies from Mary Howley that's great, I wish you the very best with them.
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So, people are shocked Mary Howley is not in the Retriever HOF. But there are other people who think picking out Mary Howley as a breeder to go to for a puppy isn't the wisest course?
J. Marti, would you expand on such a stupid statement? I would say you have no idea of the impact Mary Howley has had on the Labrador Retriever breed, not just FT dogs, but on the entire Labrador breed.
I wasn't being critical of Mary Howley--just the opposite. First, I know about Mary and once contacted her to see if she was interested in being interviewed for a retriever magazine I wrote for. We never worked it out, however.

I was questioning why someone wouldn't go to someone like Mary Howley to get a puppy. If I was looking for a Labrador puppy, she would be the first person I would contact BASED SOLELY ON HER REPUTATION AS A BREEDER AND HER KNOWLEDGE OF THE LABRADOR RETRIEVER. I wouldn't question any of her litter pedigrees or think I knew more about any dog or litter than she did. Sure, I could read a pedigree and see 3 generations of FTCH but that doesn't mean I would know anything about the dogs--that is why I would go to someone like Mary Howley.

So, I would be picking out a breeder, not picking out a pedigree or a litter. I would let Mary Howley guide me because of her reputation. My post was in response to the OP's original question and some of the responses in this thread.

Now be my guest and go yell at the kids to get off your lawn. In the meantime, I will use the mute function on this forum. Buh-bye.
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