[Shayne Mehringer]

Judging an all-age stake with a poison bird blind... anyone have stong feelings one way or the other about picking up the poison bird after the blind?

SM

 

[EdA]

If the dog ultimately retrieves the thrown bird is it really a poison bird?

 

[Dman]

If the dog ultimately retrieves up the thrown bird is it really a poison bird?

Not to me. To me poison means DO NOT PICK THIS BIRD UP

 

[Shayne Mehringer]

If the dog ultimately retrieves up the thrown bird is it really a poison bird?

One question at a time please. :wink:

For clarification.... You set up a land blind, throw a poison bird, run the blind under the arc of the poison bird. Do you have the dogs pick up the poison bird (after the blind) or not?

SM

 

[B. A.]

Depends on the test design as well as how things are going from a time management perspective.

Generally I would say it isn't worth the time that would be consumed by having the dog pick up the bird, re-birding, etc..


Bob

 

[Russell Archer]

Let's eliminate poison birds on blinds all together. Using posion birds (or scented areas) on blinds is a test of a dogs natural instints verses his training. On very "birdy" dogs, natural instints will win almost every time, thus putting them at a disadvantage.

The fact that I have lost my dog in the 3rd series, 2 times this year, due to posion birds has no bearing on my opinion.

 

[Bill Watson]

In a HRC finished test I would have the poison bird picked up. The blind is a cripple escaping and needs picking up first. The poison bird is stone dead and can be picked up at your descrition. Not to do so would be wanton waste if the game warden was watching.

FT are a different game, play it your way. JMHO Bill :lol:
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[Shayne Mehringer]

In a HRC finished test I would have the poison bird picked up. The blind is a cripple escaping and needs picking up first. The poison bird is stone dead and can be picked up at your descrition. Not to do so would be wanton waste if the game warden was watching.

With some of the guys i've hunted with..... a dog that you can pull off a poison bird is the dog that keeps you from going over your limit. :lol:

SM

 

[Roger Perry]

If the dog ultimately retrieves up the thrown bird is it really a poison bird?

One question at a time please. :wink:

For clarification.... You set up a land blind, throw a poison bird, run the blind under the arc of the poison bird. Do you have the dogs pick up the poison bird (after the blind) or not?

SM

Not for an under the arc. The dog showed controll by going under the arc to pick up the blind which is what you were looking for. Most under the arc blinds are thrown relatively close to the line (within about 150 yards).

 

[K G]

I might do it as a cold honor with the honor dog picking up the bird before the working dog does the blind, but I don't have the working dog come back and get the poison bird.

My thinking there is the same as Ed's..... 8).......picking up the poison bird makes it a delayed single. I just don't see the point.

kg

 

[Shayne Mehringer]

I might do it as a cold honor with the honor dog picking up the bird before the working dog does the blind, but I don't have the working dog come back and get the poison bird.

My thinking there is the same as Ed's..... 8).......picking up the poison bird makes it a delayed single. I just don't see the point.

kg

I tend to agree on not having the dog pick up the poison bird... but the poll majority say to have the dog pick up the poison bird.

SM

 

[K G]

At this point, the majority (17) don't care which way it's done.

With 15 being for and 7 against (right now), 11 total posts, and 422 views, it doesn't appear to be a hotbed issue......

Just sayin'....... :wink:

kg

 

[Franco]

It is a real Poison Bird when ther dog has to run the blind before picking up the mark. It becomes a delayed single when the dog has to pick up the bird after the blind.

I've seen Open dogs fail to find the Poison Bird after running the blind first. Just depends on how you use the PB. I've see it used several ways. Most popular type I see is where it si thrown very close to the line to a mark. I've seen them thrown in bare spots where the dogs could not only get a full nostrel of dead duck but where they can see them as well. I've also seen PB that were designed to keep a dog out of the water as opposed to the dog staying in. This where the PB is thrown in an area where the dog wants to go and the line to the blind is where a lot of the dogs don't want to go.

 

[bobbyb]

i saw that test :!: mr booty. spillway last year. bob kennon special :!: i say no on picking up a poison bird :!:

 

[Franco]

bob kennon special

I think it funny how concepts seen at AA stakes get named after the judge with the highest profile.

Several years ago I was training before a trial that we were getting ready to run in Memphis and one of my training partners said to me, "Better work on a (judges name). I replied, "What the hell is a ...."? Then the series concept was explained to me and we worked on it. Never did see it at that Amateur. Maybe the co-judged designed that series and the wrong judge was given credit when it was named. :wink:

However, Bob gets the credit for what you witnessed that weekend.

 

[K G]

It is a real Poison Bird when the dog has to run the blind before picking up the mark. It becomes a delayed single when the dog has to pick up the bird after the blind.

Franco, either you're snortin' cayenne pepper again or gargling with habanero sauce.....'cause the above is the best case of doubletalk I've ever read.

It's a poison bird when the working dog doesn't get the thrown bird at all.

kg

 

[GG]

Guy's: spend as much time with Bob Kennon as you possibly can; he is a very knowledgable retreiever trainer.
GG

 

[Aussie]

Guy's: spend as much time with Bob Kennon as you possibly can; he is a very knowledgable retreiever trainer.
GG

OK, you've got me. :lol: Does Bob Kennon let his dogs pick up the poison bird in training?

 

[Brian Cockfield]

It is a real Poison Bird when the dog has to run the blind before picking up the mark. It becomes a delayed single when the dog has to pick up the bird after the blind.

Franco, either you're snortin' cayenne pepper again or gargling with habanero sauce.....'cause the above is the best case of doubletalk I've ever read.

It's a poison bird when the working dog doesn't get the thrown bird at all.

kg

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