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Can a dog reguardless of breed or temperment be FULLY FF in a week?

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Please explain why you answered the way you did.

Note there is not an "It depends" answer, I think this is a black and white question.

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I think it takes longer than a week.

Dogs can begin to understand the required behaviour but to embody the requirement I think it needs to be done over a long enough time that a refusal is induced in all of the various areas FF is accomplished.

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I think that it would take at least a few weeks to FF a dog completely. I don't have the amount of experience with FF that many of you have, so some of you may be more efficient at it, but if I finished in a week I would have more holes in it than understanding. Also, in my own experience the dog is just reacting in the begining to the pressure rather than working through refusals. IMHO
 

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Angie B said:
!!!!! Nope, Nope, Nope Not if it's done right.

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Is that a Nope, Nope, Nope it can't be done in a week, or a Nope, Nope, Nope, yes it can if you do it right.
Thats two or three 10/15 min sessions a day for 5/7 days to do all aspects of hold ,fetch and drop, on and off the table including birds?
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Well, definitely not in the definition of the all inclusive modern F-F methods I see flow charted here on the 'net! According to many F-F technically isn't done until "Hold through FTP (or was it Water Force?) is complete!" The "old school" Pros really must have been lacking with their petty litl' "Hold/Fetch" routine, imagine??? :roll: :lol:
Peake - To answer your queston according to Charlie Morgan with certain Trainer/Dog combinations, Yes! :wink:
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It takes more time than that to get the dog to understand the purpose of it all. The willing 'student' may be happily doing all it's asked to do, thereby conning the handler that hasn't read the dog properly into thinking the job is done. But until the dog has gone through full denial, it hasn't been force broke.

But then that's just MHBFWDAO. :wink:

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Joe S. said:
I think it takes longer than a week.

Dogs can begin to understand the required behaviour but to embody the requirement I think it needs to be done over a long enough time that a refusal is induced in all of the various areas FF is accomplished.

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Joe S.
Right on. FF is a far more mental than physical and a dog is not going to be mentally conditioned in a week.

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I can't imagine anybody thinking they could completely, totally, thoroughly FF a dog in a week. That is unless they are happy with a dog that has more holes than a sieve! :wink:

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No Way Jose'

FULLY FF in a week? NO WAY.

I'd like to see some posts by those that voted "YES". :roll:
 

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It can't happen, no way, nadda. Like AB said not if it is done right and all elements from hold to aggrivated force are completed.

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Follow up

I do have to say this though, there are a lot of people who expose their dog or a dog they are training to some level of force, progress occurs in a short period of time, they get what they want from the dog and move on. But when the problems occure down the road that we have all read about, those problems can relate to improper or inadequate force work. Depending on the level you are trying to achieve with the dog, I believe it will turn up some place or another, sooner or later.

Just my opinion
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Well, here yah go! I F-F'd a very tractable/soft BLF for an local elderly local duckhunter 1yr ago. Hold through Fetch *off the ground* in just "1" [email protected] sessions per day (credit to the dawg) an additional 1 1/2 wks were spent on Proofing, Stick and Walking Fetch but by traditional definition she was done in that first week. The dawg is reliable to this day on very simple marking concepts all that he wants and needs! Being a PL man I thought for sure you would have heard the term used at one time by the Pointing dog set called "Hell Week"? I don't think they would have chosen that wording if it was really 4-5 weeks of "hell"? (Remember the question didn't include how extensive or harsh.)
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Is training Hold and Drop part of what you are calling FF? With a really thorough Hold & Drop understanding the FF time is greatly improved. 1 week maybe on a really sensitive, willing dog but it would sure need tested over more time.
 

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Just can't do enough Show and Tell in a week for a dawg to grasp the concept, heck it took the dawg longer to learn to lift his leg............
it's called training............not a Miracle on 34th Street
 

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Force in a week

I have done it with a golden named Sadie in texas, she went 4-4 in junior hunter, never any problems at all.

I have heard several trainers force a dog in 6 days they became master hunters.

I think it is all natural dogs that are capable of such things.

How many ams or pros have natural dogs that always hold it .

Munny is a prime example. Dog.

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Re: Force in a week

Youngblood said:
I have done it with a golden named Sadie in texas, she went 4-4 in junior hunter, never any problems at all.

I have heard several trainers force a dog in 6 days they became master hunters.

I think it is all natural dogs that are capable of such things.

How many ams or pros have natural dogs that always hold it .

Munny is a prime example. Dog.

David Walker
So Day 1 was "hold"... Day 7 she was FFed. What training did you do on Day 8?

Not being a butthead, but i think the answer to that question will give us some insight into your definition of a forced dog.

Thanks.

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Hell, I can FF dog in two days. The problem is in one's understanding of the term Force Fetch.

Can I go through the "Force Program" in less than a week???? NEVER.

Snatching the bumper out of my hand, on command, is just the beginning step of the Force Program.

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