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I have been shocked at how few of the folks that have called about my litter wanted to know about my Guarantee! I have a good one and spent a lot of time researching how to best do it but that's not the point - Do you really care about a guarantee? OR if you see all the clearances and a strong pedigree of clearances is that guarantee enough? Also, how many of you waive the Guarantee by not using the kennel name and therefore you don't care what the breeder offers anyway? Maybe someone that's savvier than me can make a survey out of this...
 

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I cant answer for the more experienced here, but .... when I bought my pup I knew that guarntees existed, but did not insist. I simply did not know enough. I trusted the deal that if before 22 months we got a "bad" hip xry, we would get our money back. At that time and place, that sounded fine to me. Now I have a 20 month old that I would not sell for all the tea in China, but have no idea what I will get on his OFA. So how the h'll are the newbies supposed to figger it out :oops: Sounds like youhave a great program, and the reason they dont ask, is , I would guess, they are like me and dont know what to ask. We are not all FT experienced , but wannabe.
 

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I would hope that the guarantee is lived up to -- it's about trust -- most guarantees are very specific -- and spell out exactly what the buyer's responsibilities are and what the breeder's are -- I bought my pup because of the breeding but I also wanted the proper clearances and the right guarantee -- but a previous post was right too > when you get attached to your dog it's hard to "give" that dog up -- luckily most breeders only ask that the dog be neutered, allow the owner to keep (since the dog is likey no good to the breeder), and still replace puppy
 

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I think the more we can use forums like this one to educate people the better and I would agree that some people may not know to ask. However, many of the folks I'm talking with are field trialers and they just don't seem to care OR they assume becasue I'm a field trialer that I have my reputation at stake so Guarantee or no Guarantee I'm going to be fair. For me when I buy a puppy - I want to see the fine print! Stuff happens and I want to know that I have some recourse if it does.
 

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Alrighty then....

So....

What do you do when you find "The Litter" and there is no health guarantee offered?

I mean....after the testicles drop, you're on your own....

You buys your ticket and you takes your chances regards, :wink:

kg
 

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I personally like to have them there for the worst case scenario, not becasue I want to give up the dog and try a new one, but more for compensation for my heartbreak. I know that many disease's are hard to breed out, but a breeder who has a written guearuntee obviously stands behiend thier puppies which is the main thing as it shows that money is a secondary focus to health.
 

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I don't pay any attention to the warranty (there are no guarantees in dogs). I do the best research I can, trust the breeder did the best he/she could, and make the best decisions I can, and they ya pays yer money and ya takes yer chances.

I do not disregard the breeder's wishes and leave out the kennel name under any circumstances. They worked hard to get that pup on the ground, and if s/he should amount to something, they deserve the "recognition". In other dogs, having the kennel name in the registered name can tell a knowledgeable person immediately who the breeder is and in many cases, give you a good idea of the lines of dogs and the kinds of dogs even before you get a look at the actual pedigree.
 

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Misty Marsh Labradors said:
a breeder who has a written guearuntee obviously stands behiend thier puppies which is the main thing as it shows that money is a secondary focus to health.
I totally agree I'm just saying that I don't get asked about it and that concerns me. We, as dog sports players, need to be holding breeders accountable for producing quality litters. If they don't there should be some sort of damages we can recover. In my mind without a good guarantee we are just encouraging irrsponsible breeding. We need to be demanding this and I'm seeing that people hardly ask about it.
 

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When I buy a pup I will do my homework to the best of my ability. I will

look at the pedigree; verify health clearances and ask a few questions.

If I buy that pup then I feel I am on my own after that.
 

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Jason Gillette said:
We, as dog sports players, need to be holding breeders accountable for producing quality litters. If they don't there should be some sort of damages we can recover. In my mind without a good guarantee we are just encouraging irrsponsible breeding. We need to be demanding this and I'm seeing that people hardly ask about it.

I don't remember ever asking about the warranty on puppies, and I know for sure of three dogs I am "entitled" to a "replacement" for that I have never collected on.

If you don't think the breeder did the best job possible in breeding and raising the litter, don't buy a pup from him/her. If you do believe s/he did the best job possible, why would you think you're entitled to some compensation for your heartbreak? Lord knows, breeders suffer enough heartbreak of their own...

Sometimes life breaks your heart. That's just the way it is.

I don't get this idea that somebody else must pay for it.

And about the influence how pups are raised on how they turn out??? Well, I won't go there.... :wink:
 

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I guess I look at it like this, a dog is bought from a reputable breeder with a researched pedigree, all the certs, and with the expectations that it will grown up healthy, have some talent, and be able to have puppies if the next lean mac or Lottie. When said dog comes back with failed hips it is reasonable to think that this does not life up to those expectations and said reputable breeder gives you back your money for compensation of that failure. I think that reputable breeders should be paied more for thier puppies, but the market will not support it now which is a shame because the only thing diffrentiating the backyard breeder from the reputable ones in the eys of many these day's are the guarruntees and a coupple hundred dollars.
 

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ducksoup said:
when you get attached to your dog it's hard to "give" that dog up -- luckily most breeders only ask that the dog be neutered, allow the owner to keep (since the dog is likey no good to the breeder), and still replace puppy
After you spend all that money with Dan DeVos I imagine the breeder would be able to get pretty good money for your started pup. So I guess the pup has significant value to a breeder.
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Alrighty then....

So....

What do you do when you find "The Litter" and there is no health guarantee offered?

I mean....after the testicles drop, you're on your own....

You buys your ticket and you takes your chances regards, :wink:

kg
And what do you do when there is a health guarantee, and after thousands of dollars in hunt training, the dog's hips won't pass and after trying 3 times with OFA and then neutering the dog and sending the certificate to the breeder, they still don't respond. Sometimes it goes both ways.

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My now 5 1/2 Ch/MH IWS bitch x-rayed dysplastic at 12 months; once she finished her breed championship, I had her spayed. In the meantime I continue to train her and compete with her; the breeder will give me a replacement puppy whenever I request one. A little over two years ago, another breeder gave me a male IWS puppy who is turning into a very nice field dog; looks like I won't need that replacement pup for 6-7 years...
 
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I won't buy a pup with out a guarantee on hips eyes elbows and cnm anything genetic I am not interested in a replacement pup only a money back after I nueter/spay the dog. I didn't have to send them back or put them to sleep. I have had two pups that have had problems, I have had this type of guarantee on both. In order to get this guarantee on one of my dogs, I did use the kennel name.
 

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I could give a flying hoot on a guarantee. They're not a good housekeeping seal of approval and they're just a tool to market dogs. They don't hold water and are only as good as the paper they're printed on. Most guarantees make you give the dog back,,, (like that's going to happen)....

How much is a breeder liable for hmmmm??? If the breeder did their homework, has every clearance under the sun on their breeding stock. Doesn't misrepresnt what their selling.... Shouldn't it end there???

Where's the purchasers responsability??? You want a breeder to contractually guarantee the puppy they sell for 2 years???? What has the puppy owner done with that puppy for two years???? Did they climb alot of stairs with it. Jog 2 miles everyday with it? Over feed it??? Not take it in for annual examines???

Where does the puppy owner carry the deal?

Guarantees are crazy and totally one sided and void in many cases.

You go with a breeder you trust. Do your homework. Make sure the breeding stock is sound and then take your chances like everyone else.

Angie
 

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ChrisRobt said:
My now 5 1/2 Ch/MH IWS bitch x-rayed dysplastic at 12 months; once she finished her breed championship, I had her spayed. In the meantime I continue to train her and compete with her; the breeder will give me a replacement puppy whenever I request one. A little over two years ago, another breeder gave me a male IWS puppy who is turning into a very nice field dog; looks like I won't need that replacement pup for 6-7 years...
Sorry for the dysphasia but I'm happy you can, if you want, get a replacement. I'm sorry if I implied I want to punish a breeder if they produce a defective pup - it happens despite the very best of intentions. I also recognize that a guarantee is only as good as the person who gives it. So, obviously a guarantee is not a substitute for doing your home work on the breeder or the breeding but it is just one more assurance that I want to have before taking the plunge in to a new puppy.
 

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Jason Gillette said:
ChrisRobt said:
My now 5 1/2 Ch/MH IWS bitch x-rayed dysplastic at 12 months; once she finished her breed championship, I had her spayed. In the meantime I continue to train her and compete with her; the breeder will give me a replacement puppy whenever I request one. A little over two years ago, another breeder gave me a male IWS puppy who is turning into a very nice field dog; looks like I won't need that replacement pup for 6-7 years...
Sorry for the dysphasia but I'm happy you can, if you want, get a replacement. I'm sorry if I implied I want to punish a breeder if they produce a defective pup - it happens despite the very best of intentions. I also recognize that a guarantee is only as good as the person who gives it. So, obviously a guarantee is not a substitute for doing your home work on the breeder or the breeding but it is just one more assurance that I want to have before taking the plunge in to a new puppy.
This breeder had all the clearances on both sire and dam; both had OFA "good" hips but it was simply a matter of a "bad match". I will get another puppy from her without any concern about a repitition of the CHD; she is now known in the IWS world as the breeder producing excellent field stock (they also win in the show ring-our breed is not split). I myself have now earned a reputation within the breed as a "field trainer" and many breeders would love to give me a puppy of theirs. I'll never buy another IWS as I'll always have ones given to me...
 
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