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http://extras.twincities.com/front_pages/A1.pdf

Please click on the above link to the article in Todays Pioneer Press on the North Dakota puppy mill that was shut down. All of the dogs and pups have been rescued and Animal Arc will need funds to help care for these dogs.
If you can help, please do so. I realize moist of these dogs will never see a duck but they really need help.

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I am glad they were rescued. I hope they all find good homes. i will try to donate what i can. i wish i could do more. I wish more people would realize that the pet shop puppy they buy just adds to the problem. it is sad the dogs were in such rough shape. i can think of a few more people i would like to see out of business.. maria
 

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It was on the news here, too... :( ....so glad they are out of there...we will send a check.

Judy
 
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where's the best place to go to donate? I brushed over the article quickly bc I'm on my way to bed.... Will check back tomorrow.

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Kristie - here is there web address, i would contact them about donations

http://www.animalarkshelter.org/


they are in my town and are a very stand up place. and a no-kill shelter also. my family has bought dogs from them in the past. i know they could use some help monetary wise with this.
 
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Wow, if you haven't already, go read the news blog about the rescue (link on first page of site) and look at the pictures of the raging infections and skin just hanging off a couple of the dogs (I haven't gotten through the whole thing yet).

So deplorable.

Please remember this when you choose to breed... and as you select homes for your pups.

-K
 

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toddh said:
Here's the link for the rescue group that will be placing the dogs:

www.ragom.org
Darn you!! I just fell madly in love with an old Golden on that site. Let's see if they answer my e-mail...

M
 
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Kristie Wilder said:
Wow, if you haven't already, go read the news blog about the rescue (link on first page of site) and look at the pictures of the raging infections and skin just hanging off a couple of the dogs (I haven't gotten through the whole thing yet).

So deplorable.

Please remember this when you choose to breed... and as you select homes for your pups.

-K
And please, PLEASE remember the photos before you throw accusations like
This is a "british lab puppy mill"
at others on a public forum.

There are people out there that don't think anyone should ever breed any dog. Everyone has a different perspective.
 
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K9Conundrum said:
Kristie Wilder said:
Wow, if you haven't already, go read the news blog about the rescue (link on first page of site) and look at the pictures of the raging infections and skin just hanging off a couple of the dogs (I haven't gotten through the whole thing yet).

So deplorable.

Please remember this when you choose to breed... and as you select homes for your pups.

-K
And please, PLEASE remember the photos before you throw accusations like
This is a "british lab puppy mill"
at others on a public forum.

There are people out there that don't think anyone should ever breed any dog. Everyone has a different perspective.
Yes, they do. And that's mine. If you want to encourage or endsorse producing puppies in volume, have at it. I may be the only person in the world that may disagree with the practice, but I don't see anyone changing my mind any time soon.

Many puppy mills have puppies that are very clean and well-maintained. More than likely they are not well-socialized. And, even if they are... The next hurdle is CAREFULLY screening all homes... Which gets harder and harder (and less and less important to breeders who do it for volume and money instead of quality) as you have more puppies to push out the door. Then your quality and selectiveness of new homes goes down the toilet and at some point those dogs get bred and some end up in shelters, or puppy mills, or whatever.

I didn't make these opinions up in my head to piss people off. I've worked with rescue groups and abandoned/neglected dogs. Not as much as I'd like and not near as much as some folks on here who have been dedicated to rescue much of their lives.

I have no problem saying anyone, the kennel in question or any other, that produces 60+ litters a year, is a puppy mill... The ONLY reason to produce that many dogs is for money. And there's NOTHING wrong with capitalism, don't get me wrong. But there is something wrong -- again, MY perspective -- with doing so at risk of the health, safety and wellbeing of the animals you're producing (whether it's at your facility or once the puppy goes home).

I don't think there's a rule against stating an opinion on here, or did I miss that?

-Kristie
 

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Kristie Wilder said:
K9Conundrum said:
Kristie Wilder said:
Wow, if you haven't already, go read the news blog about the rescue (link on first page of site) and look at the pictures of the raging infections and skin just hanging off a couple of the dogs (I haven't gotten through the whole thing yet).

So deplorable.

Please remember this when you choose to breed... and as you select homes for your pups.

-K
And please, PLEASE remember the photos before you throw accusations like
This is a "british lab puppy mill"
at others on a public forum.

There are people out there that don't think anyone should ever breed any dog. Everyone has a different perspective.
Yes, they do. And that's mine. If you want to encourage or endsorse producing puppies in volume, have at it. I may be the only person in the world that may disagree with the practice, but I don't see anyone changing my mind any time soon.

Many puppy mills have puppies that are very clean and well-maintained. More than likely they are not well-socialized. And, even if they are... The next hurdle is CAREFULLY screening all homes... Which gets harder and harder (and less and less important to breeders who do it for volume and money instead of quality) as you have more puppies to push out the door. Then your quality and selectiveness of new homes goes down the toilet and at some point those dogs get bred and some end up in shelters, or puppy mills, or whatever.

I didn't make these opinions up in my head to piss people off. I've worked with rescue groups and abandoned/neglected dogs. Not as much as I'd like and not near as much as some folks on here who have been dedicated to rescue much of their lives.

I have no problem saying anyone, the kennel in question or any other, that produces 60+ litters a year, is a puppy mill... The ONLY reason to produce that many dogs is for money. And there's NOTHING wrong with capitalism, don't get me wrong. But there is something wrong -- again, MY perspective -- with doing so at risk of the health, safety and wellbeing of the animals you're producing (whether it's at your facility or once the puppy goes home).

I don't think there's a rule against stating an opinion on here, or did I miss that?

-Kristie
You go girl!!!
 

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Kristie Wilder said:
K9Conundrum said:
Kristie Wilder said:
Wow, if you haven't already, go read the news blog about the rescue (link on first page of site) and look at the pictures of the raging infections and skin just hanging off a couple of the dogs (I haven't gotten through the whole thing yet).

So deplorable.

Please remember this when you choose to breed... and as you select homes for your pups.

-K
And please, PLEASE remember the photos before you throw accusations like
This is a "british lab puppy mill"
at others on a public forum.

There are people out there that don't think anyone should ever breed any dog. Everyone has a different perspective.
Yes, they do. And that's mine. If you want to encourage or endsorse producing puppies in volume, have at it. I may be the only person in the world that may disagree with the practice, but I don't see anyone changing my mind any time soon.

Many puppy mills have puppies that are very clean and well-maintained. More than likely they are not well-socialized. And, even if they are... The next hurdle is CAREFULLY screening all homes... Which gets harder and harder (and less and less important to breeders who do it for volume and money instead of quality) as you have more puppies to push out the door. Then your quality and selectiveness of new homes goes down the toilet and at some point those dogs get bred and some end up in shelters, or puppy mills, or whatever.

I didn't make these opinions up in my head to piss people off. I've worked with rescue groups and abandoned/neglected dogs. Not as much as I'd like and not near as much as some folks on here who have been dedicated to rescue much of their lives.

I have no problem saying anyone, the kennel in question or any other, that produces 60+ litters a year, is a puppy mill... The ONLY reason to produce that many dogs is for money. And there's NOTHING wrong with capitalism, don't get me wrong. But there is something wrong -- again, MY perspective -- with doing so at risk of the health, safety and wellbeing of the animals you're producing (whether it's at your facility or once the puppy goes home).

I don't think there's a rule against stating an opinion on here, or did I miss that?

-Kristie
At least your have the BA... um... er... guts to say it and mean it.
 

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site says..
Please send donations to:

RAGOM
Attention: Puppy Mill Rescue Fund
P.O. Box 5567
Hopkins, MN 55343-0492

If you'd prefer to donate by credit card, send an e-mail to [email protected]. A volunteer will call and accept your gift by phone.

$1000 Pays for the cost of the truck rental that brought the dogs to Minnesota
$200 Pays for allergy testing and treatment
$100 Pays for a wire crate and comfy pad
$75 Pays for a supplemental geriatric profile for a senior puppy mill dog
$50 Pays for dental cleaning
$20 Pays for a puppy mill dog's first dog bed
$10 Pays for one month of heartworm preventive
$5 Pays for a RAGOM veterinarian's services for implanting a microchip

and you can sponser a puppy..

..notice...$20 Pays for a puppy mill dog's first dog bed ... :cry:
 
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site says..
Please send donations to:

RAGOM
Attention: Puppy Mill Rescue Fund
P.O. Box 5567
Hopkins, MN 55343-0492

If you'd prefer to donate by credit card, send an e-mail to [email protected]. A volunteer will call and accept your gift by phone.

$1000 Pays for the cost of the truck rental that brought the dogs to Minnesota
$200 Pays for allergy testing and treatment
$100 Pays for a wire crate and comfy pad
$75 Pays for a supplemental geriatric profile for a senior puppy mill dog
$50 Pays for dental cleaning
$20 Pays for a puppy mill dog's first dog bed
$10 Pays for one month of heartworm preventive
$5 Pays for a RAGOM veterinarian's services for implanting a microchip

and you can sponser a puppy..

..notice...$20 Pays for a puppy mill dog's first dog bed ... :cry:
I did my donation to the ark place but noted -- where they had you select -- that it was for puppy mill option. I can't imagine it won't be used for that... Should I doublecheck??

-Kristie
 

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I just donated to RAGOM and was reminded of one of the problems we face in the hunting dog world. As I was talking to the lady on the phone we started chatting about other animal related stuff. She made a big deal about telling me that her daughter is a Vegan chef in New York and that she was a big part of the organization that fought against legalizing dove hunting in Minnesota. She then mentioned her affiliation with an organization that has sent out emails supporting legislation in Pennsylvania that would have severly limited the use of live pigeons in dog training.

I still made the donation because those previous acts don't lessen the suffering of these dogs, but I always get frustrated that it seems like all the groups trying to help animals are the ones trying to put an end to so many of the thing that I (and my dog) love to do. I don't understand why that is the case, I know very few people who love dogs and wildlife more than those who are hunters and trialers.

Not trying to politicize this good and worthy post but just thought I'd offer some food for thought. I hope all these dogs and puppies find good homes and can recover from this ordeal.

DH
 

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Kristie Wilder said:
Judy Chute said:
site says..
Please send donations to:

RAGOM
Attention: Puppy Mill Rescue Fund
P.O. Box 5567
Hopkins, MN 55343-0492

If you'd prefer to donate by credit card, send an e-mail to [email protected]. A volunteer will call and accept your gift by phone.

$1000 Pays for the cost of the truck rental that brought the dogs to Minnesota
$200 Pays for allergy testing and treatment
$100 Pays for a wire crate and comfy pad
$75 Pays for a supplemental geriatric profile for a senior puppy mill dog
$50 Pays for dental cleaning
$20 Pays for a puppy mill dog's first dog bed
$10 Pays for one month of heartworm preventive
$5 Pays for a RAGOM veterinarian's services for implanting a microchip

and you can sponser a puppy..

..notice...$20 Pays for a puppy mill dog's first dog bed ... :cry:
I did my donation to the ark place but noted -- where they had you select -- that it was for puppy mill option. I can't imagine it won't be used for that... Should I doublecheck??

-Kristie
The donation to AA will go to where you direct it. RAGOM is taking donations specifically for this rescue but AA is co-ordinating all of the efforts and fronted the money and facility.
 

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DH said:
I just donated to RAGOM and was reminded of one of the problems we face in the hunting dog world. As I was talking to the lady on the phone we started chatting about other animal related stuff. She made a big deal about telling me that her daughter is a Vegan chef in New York and that she was a big part of the organization that fought against legalizing dove hunting in Minnesota. She then mentioned her affiliation with an organization that has sent out emails supporting legislation in Pennsylvania that would have severly limited the use of live pigeons in dog training.

I still made the donation because those previous acts don't lessen the suffering of these dogs, but I always get frustrated that it seems like all the groups trying to help animals are the ones trying to put an end to so many of the thing that I (and my dog) love to do. I don't understand why that is the case, I know very few people who love dogs and wildlife more than those who are hunters and trialers.

Not trying to politicize this good and worthy post but just thought I'd offer some food for thought. I hope all these dogs and puppies find good homes and can recover from this ordeal.

DH
DH, I understand completly where you are coming from and want you to know the heads of AA are not politically motivated. They do not endorse or support any party or cause and only are there for the rescue of unwanted animals. As with any group, there will be polar opposites working side by side for the single cause and differ on dozens of others.

Prop's to you for recognizing the need, acting on it and not letting one individuals belief change your good deed.
 

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Thanks Golddogs. I think it is just recurring frustration I have because I feel like there are very few groups I can support on a regular basis and wind up only donating when there is an event like this one. I used to be employed by a national hunting organization and have seen enough of the stuff folks have pulled in the name of animal rights to make me very wary.

Anyway, I donated to Animal Ark and RAGOM. They are doing some good work.

DH
 

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DH said:
Thanks Golddogs. I think it is just recurring frustration I have because I feel like there are very few groups I can support on a regular basis and wind up only donating when there is an event like this one. I used to be employed by a national hunting organization and have seen enough of the stuff folks have pulled in the name of animal rights to make me very wary.

Anyway, I donated to Animal Ark and RAGOM. They are doing some good work.

DH
Just a bit of history for you . One of the founders of RAGOM was a great lady named Ardis Brown. She ran HT's and FT's in the 80's. Used to get scolded by the county sheriff's deputies for doing water work at a county lake. Never got a ticket or so I'm told. I am sure she used her fair share of training birds. :D
 
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