For starters, the FT Rule book does not have the word intimidation in it I believe. The HT Rule book does. However, both books disallow threatening gestures. So my question is how did the handler "inspire" his dog to make eye contact. If it was though the use of a threatening gesture, it's a no-no. If it's through any other quiet, gentle, uneventful means, it's good handling. Good luck getting the bird though!If a handler quietly gently and totally uneventful inspired his dog to make eye contact while taking the last bird from a multiple would that be considered intimidation.
Thanks in advance
Help us out to get a minds eye view of this.If a handler quietly gently and totally uneventful inspired his dog to make eye contact while taking the last bird from a multiple would that be considered intimidation.
Thanks in advance
witnessed at a hunt test: dog was really giving the handler the ol' dew claw.........Just to have it in front of you...
Retriever HT Rule"Note* While speaking quietly to the honoring dog is allowed, threatening gestures or any form of intimidation is not acceptable and shall not be allowed by the Judges."
Serious Handler Faults:
9. Threatening Gestures - or any form of intimidation made to the dog.
Retriever FT Rule
"25. No handler shall (1) carry exposed any training equipment (except whistle) or use any other equipment or threatening gestures in such a manner that they may be an aid or threat in steadying or controlling a dog;"
"During the period from the moment when the handler signals readiness for the birds to be thrown until the dog’s number is called, the handler of the working or honoring dog shall remain silent. Also, in all marking tests during such period, the handler’s hands shall remain quietly in close proximity to his body. A handler who projects his hand during such period, whether for the purpose of assisting his dog to locate a fall or otherwise, should be considered to have used a threatening gesture, and his dog penalized accordingly."
Intimidate-: to make timid or fearful : frighten; especially : to compel or deter by or as if by threats.
gesture-: a movement usually of the body or limbs that expresses or emphasizes an idea, sentiment, or attitude
You can't make a gesture with your eyes.
And I don't like the wording of the HT rule as relates to "any form of intimidation". We've all seen dogs come to the line with their tail between their legs. Are these dogs not intimidated?
edit: Also, anybody seen the Dave Rorem "Art & Science of Handling..." DVD? He says point blank he is trying to intimidate the dog.