[Eric Johnson]

Our sport, field trial or hunt test, is governed by a set of rules which are designed to be self-administered by individuals and clubs. If we, individually and as clubs, don't abide by these rules, our sport is hurt.

Suppose one has evidence that a club has broken a rule, really broken it. Further suppose that this came to light after the event was over and even further, suppose that one and his dog had not been entered.

Is one obligated to report the case to the AKC?

 

[Karen Klotthor]

It is over and done , what good is reporting it. Might have been a mix up and AKC might already know about what ever you are talking about. If something little gets reported it goes on record for that club for a while and could get them fined.
Rules are Rules but there are sometime cases that are in the gray area.
I have seen on more than one case that the books closed on EE with a certain number of dogs but the next evening the number changed. I just charked it up to mail in's not recorded yet, but is it really. We will never know

 

[helencalif]

My answer is "yes, a violation should be reported" so that AKC is aware and can handle it.

I don't understand your statement "suppose that one and his dog had not been entered". Can you please clarify and explain.

Thanks,
Helen

 

[captainjack]

If one and his dog is not entered, then what would the AKC care about said one and dog? Do I need to go watch Return of the Jedi to understand speak of what you?

 

[Rick_C]

If one and his dog is not entered, then what would the AKC care about said one and dog? Do I need to go watch Return of the Jedi to understand speak of what you?

I took it to mean that this hypothetical person and his dog were not entered in the hypothetical event where the hypothetical club broke some hypothetical rule.

Does that help?

I don't understand the "it's over and done. What's the good in reporting it" stance. If you had information that someone robbed a bank last week would you not report it because it was "over and done"? How is this different?

Thankfully I've never been involved in any AKC investigation but it sure seems to me based on some recent posts in threads here that people are willing to ignore a lot to avoid getting involved in one.

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[Eric Johnson]

I was trying to write it all in the 3rd person.

Even though the individual was not entered in the event in question, he knows the error occurred.

Eric

 

[deanlange]

I don't know if you would need to report it. It would depend on the circumstances. Most of the times I have seen rules that have gotten PUSHED at events have led to fewer entries at that club's test or when those judges were judging another event.

The people take care of the problem and don't need to involve a governing body.

 

[Angie B]

It all depends.... Every occurrence is situational and needs to be addressed by the chairman and committee..

I've sat in on hearings after an event and have had to deal with infractions on the grounds...

Address the issue appropriately and efficiently within the regulations..

Angie

 

[Angie B]

Based on the OP, I don't think this hypothetical was a minor infraction. "...really broken it..." was the wording used.

Well then,,, Why was it not addressed by the committee??

Angie

 

[Kenneth Niles Bora]

I was trying to write it all in the 3rd person.

Even though the individual was not entered in the event in question, he knows the error occurred.

Eric

but how?
did the one see with the one's own eyes or did a second some one tell the one? and just 'cause the one did not run a dog, the one could have been on the committee? Could the one self incriminate? is it the one's own club or did the one come from away?


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[jacduck]

If one saw the violation and has the rule book in hand then go to the marshal forthwith,

if no satisfaction go to the committee,

if no satisfaction go further.

In most cases it could be solved at the lowest level. An hour later is too late to solve the problem at the lowest, least hurtful level.

Stop the bleeding with pressure not a tourniquet.

 

[Rick_C]

Sadly, the prevailing attitude in this country is, "I don't want to get involved." So, Rick, a large portion of our population probably would not report the bank robbery. And as we know, RTF is a cross-section of our society.....

Unfortunately, you are correct.

but how?
did the one see with the one's own eyes or did a second some one tell the one? and just 'cause the one did not run a dog, the one could have been on the committee? Could the one self incriminate? is it the one's own club or did the one come from away?


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I agree with Ken and Angie. Why wasn't it dealt with right away if someone thought there was a rules violation?

And, as we've seen before on RTF 3rd party information isn't always what it's said to be. IF there was a violation those in attendance, that witnessed it, should have reported it. Which brings us back to, why wasn't it?

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[Kenneth Niles Bora]

note,
the one says it is a "Club Violation". So a club is not a one but a many. What could a club do wrong? Well lets take a hypothetical. For the sake of discussion. How about birds? A club will provide 2 live birds per entrée for the judges to use at their discretion. So, while sitting around Dudley Duckchucker's kitchen table the committee decides not to. Decides and cooks up a plan to hypothetically only have half, by rule. Because they hypothetically grabbed and froze fresh shot retrieved only once birds from the last test they held. Instead of giving that test fresh dead birds on Sunday they just used Saturdays, it happens, but lets not branch off. Say it is this type of thing... and "The One" was on the committee??????
　
and oddly this is making me think of the Matrix Trilogy
　
　
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[Pals]

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[j towne]

I saw where a secratary was taking thier dogs off Entry Express when thier dogs failed so it didnt show up as a FAIL on the dogs event history. or they would put in scratch. I thought it was amusing and wouldnt expect anything less from the person.

 

[Gun_Dog2002]

Every single time I have seen a real rule infraction, witnessed by multiple people and clearly a violation of misconduct, the clubs have done every type of political maneuvering they can think of to avoid having to do anything. I've seen clubs give pro's free entries for the next event to smooth things over, bribes and coercion tactics to keep it going further. Why? My opinion is because AKC doesn't back them up. If a club goes to all the hoops dictated by AKC to report something, AKC then "reviews" it and once the guilty party threatens lawsuit it gets shuffled under the rug. Why does a club want to even have that associated with their event when they already work their ass off just to put it on?

/Paul

 

[moscowitz]

I have a hypothetical- Individual consistantly volunteers to marshal amatuer, which clubs love. However, that individual manipulates the line -up for herself/himself and friends. That individual even pulls their vehicle up to the test with dog having view of set up.

Is this a violation of AKC rules?
Is it unsportsman like behavior?
Who do you report it to?
How do you report it?
Should it be in writting?
Should photos be taken of the line up board?

Once reported good chance reporter's name is mud.

 

[Dman]

That individual even pulls their vehicle up to the test with dog having view of set up.

I doubt there would be any advantage to that.. Might even hurt.

 

[moscowitz]

I agree. Hypothetical. Nothing that person does ends up as an advantage.

 

[helencalif]

I was trying to write it all in the 3rd person. Even though the individual was not entered in the event in question, he knows the error occurred.Eric

Eric,

Could you describe and clearly explain what the regulation violation was?

Thanks,
Helen