[Hal]

Hi
looking at some pups that are out of Yellow stud Chocolate bitch,
other than normal hips eyes eic should there be any thing else I should be a ware of? Should color be a concern?
This pup would be used as a duck and goose dog
Thanks

 

[Renee P.]

Yes, pay attention to color unless you want a Dudley. Yellow parent color genotype should be eeBB.

 

[Renee P.]

Now I've gotten a headache thinking of the possibilities...I guess if chocolate bitch is EEbb you avoid dudleys, too.

 

[Hunt'EmUp]

Interesting with either a eeBB or EEbb parent to avoid Dudley. You also have only a 50% chance of producing Yellow or Chocolate, but technically speaking NO chance of producing Yellow and Chocolate together. So if the litter has both Chocolate and Yellow pups, You have good possibility of the Dudley dog eebb (yellow-chocolate).

Looks like such a breeding would produce a lot of black. Slightly ironic, such a breeding has a good chance of producing nothing but black. Just what is mother nature trying to tell us.

 

[mwk56]

If the yellow does not carry chocolate and the chocolate does not carry yellow the pups will all be black.

The orignal poster doesn't specify that they both carry the other color.

Meredith

 

[skelso]

As with any breeding, check the health certs on the parents. Don't take anyone's word for anything, ask to see copies of the certificates.


Are the pups on the ground already? If they are it's pretty easy to tell if they are Dudley or not without going through all the genetics "what if's".

I just bred my chocolate bitch to a yellow sire in January. I did a lot of homework before agreeing to the breeding and found that in our particular case, the chance of a true Dudley was very small and I had someone lined up to buy any Dudley's we might have, so I went for it. We ended up with (5) yellow and (4) black. Not a single Dudley in the bunch. I do have 1 yellow female that has a liver nose and one yellow (can't remember if male or female) that has a black nose with a liver spot on it and a single pink pad on one front foot (all other pads are black).

It's her first litter so I have no proof to show that they will turn out to be good hunting dogs, but I also haven't had anyone present me with any proof as to why they wouldn't. I can tell you that they were 5 weeks old Tuesday and are already having a ball carrying duck wings around the back yard, don't flinch when you slam the kennel gate, bang pans, etc...

Coincedentally, my girl is from a Chocolate male / Yellow female breeding.

 

[Shelby]

So my question, can a dudley do the work? Or is there no proformance with this color trait

 

[Jennifer Henion]

Yes, please explain to us genetics newbies, what does dudley mean? Just liver color? or an actual Dud = no brains or skills?

Thanks,
Jennifer

 

[Renee P.]

What I meant by Dudley is a yellow labrador that lacks pigment on nose, lips, eye rims etc.

 

[Jennifer Henion]

Thanks. I'm a Golden person, but adult son and his family have a dudley. They just were here staying with us for a week and I really got to know his dog - and despite training and getting a lot of attention at home, she is dumb as a post at 17 mos. Not sure if it's an individual quirk or a dudley quirk.

 

[Renee P.]

I got a yellow with correct pigment, she's very pretty but dumb as a fence post. So ya get that with non-dudleys too

 

[windycanyon]

yes, I'd definitely want to see Elbows cleared right along w/ hips and be sure it's a current CERF on both parents (w/in the last year). CNM & PRA are good tests to have too, not knowing what lines the pups are from.

 

[TIM DOANE]

yes, I'd definitely want to see Elbows cleared right along w/ hips and be sure it's a current CERF on both parents (w/in the last year). CNM & PRA are good tests to have too, not knowing what lines the pups are from.

This is a must for me. Now lets talk about the parents ability to hunt. You are looking for a hunting dog right? Have you hunted with pups parents? Have you hunted with pup from previous breeding? Do the parents have HT titles?

I would never buy a hunting dog unless I KNEW FOR SURE the parents were very good hunting dogs.

 

[skelso]

Yes, please explain to us genetics newbies, what does dudley mean? Just liver color? or an actual Dud = no brains or skills?

Thanks,
Jennifer

As Mitty said, color and pigment or lack thereof do not correlate to hunting ability. I've seen some great looking dogs that were worthless.

Also worth noting is Mitty's post providing the definition of a dudley. Liver pigment, as you've described above is not a dudley. It is undesirable in show dogs but is not a disqualification. Lack of pigment (pink nose) is a true dudley and disqualification from the show ring.

Whatever you decide, make sure you pick a face you really love because hopefully you'll be looking at it for a long, long time!

 

[rbr]

So my question, can a dudley do the work? Or is there no proformance with this color trait

Of course they can, they don't know that they lack pigment.

Bert