Thanks, I just had a chance to check the board again. My pup is just having a problem getting his mouth around the bumper boy bumper and it is got a plastic type wrap around it and with his slobber it makes it really slippery and he has a problem holding on to it on the longer retrieves. I just don't want to develop a bad habit of not holding the bumper correctly. I am going to check out that Outlander. Thanks.