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Maybe some could describe what your club does at training days/sessions?
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Monkey + Football = You should get the picture Stan
My observation; very little training gets done, only want to work on multiple marks with alot of handling instead to teaching concepts to build on.

Disclaimer; I don't do club training days anymore, too much work for too little sugar.
 

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Our clubs do not do training days but they do picnic test or trials. They set up a tests and you use it as TRAINING however you want. Run singles off of multiples, work on line manners, run with collar on. To me it's invaluable. I train alone mostly so it is the only place I can train under the trial/test atmosphere. It would be pretty tough to just train on any one thing with 40 people and dogs out there
 

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This time around we re trying something different for the winter months. We have limited training areas because of the snow so have decided to do an hour of obedience training with the group as we are finding this an area that members with their first dogs are struggling with. We will also look at the use of e-collars with this group as they are just learning how to use them. For the more advanced dogs we will concentrate on drills and training concepts. Once spring arrives we hope to move the concepts into the field.One Sunday a month the training will be the responsibility of a member. They will set up a hunt test scenerio and members can run it at their level. All equipment will be used at these days, decoys, mojos, shot guns, multiple holding blind etc. The other 3 Sundays we will take a concept we see that needs work and concentrate on that. Like most things those that showup and put some effort into it should see advancement in their dogs.
 

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If you do a search on marking drills, you will no doubt see some threads that include links to Kwicklabs website.

I think there are many very detailed explainations of set-ups and drills, that would be benificial to most all dog, and levels.

Y drills, ABCDE drills, W drills ect..

You can run blinds on your own,, but to get a teaching environment for marking is a hard thing to do without help..

JmHO

I havent attended a Club Training day for years.. Just always seemed to be a round the horn triple with a blind,, and everyone wanting to change it up some way.. Not enough work for the time spent..

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I train with a very focused FT group now where everybody knows pretty much what they need to work on and how to go about it, knows each others dogs and all work together to improve each dog. Club training days over the years proved to be a frustrating waste of time for me in several ways and will I probably not attend another.
 

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Here was our "training days" last week when I threw birds for Don Remien - Rising Sun Retrievers

1. Don's assistant's had already aired the dogs out long before sun up

2. we met at the trailer park/campground and caravan to training grounds 7:45 am sharp

3. once we reached the grounds Don surveyed the area, while his assistants unloaded the 4 wheelers, I would get a bird sack loaded along with a starter pistol and ample ammo, we would get our radios and head toward our stations, birds were in the air within twenty minutes of being on the grounds...we bird throwers knew the sequence and would not change unless instructed

4. meanwhile the amateur clients would bring the dogs up and have them in the holding blinds ready to go

5. it was as efficient as a well oiled field trial...everyone worked, if you weren't running a dog or throwing marks, you were playing bird steward and talking retrieved birds to the drying rack..we would radio in when we got down to two birds so re birding was done efficiently and quickly

6. we were able to get through a triple or delayed quad with 25 dogs within two hours....we would then shift angles and throw another set of marks

One of the reasons I enjoy throwing marks for Don and his clients is that they waste very little time, we save the chit chat and gossip for afterwards..Don and his Team are very good at time management, and they get a lot of work in with short days of sunlight...Don is very good at setting up scenarios that will benefit everyone on the truck, no one stands around,everyone works, everyone has a good time and cheers on everyone elses triumphs and good dog work
 

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I think another idea would be for clubs who have quite a few members with new pups, is to have maybe 1or 2 folks that are well versed in the yard.

have those folks take that group of pups through the yard from basic OB to ff, to pile work, ending with the group running their first cld blblind shove each participant homework, then review progress each week
 

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1 go over a dill and land set up and get every body on the same page for the morning training.
2 set up a drill and run all dogs and handlers through. the drill is usually flexible to accomodate most dogs and handlers.
3 set up and run a land series test usually a triple with 2 blind options and optional walk up poison bird honor and diversion options. the handler can run the test any way they choose in any order and even move the line if they want.
we break for lunch then repeat evrey thing in the water.
we limit handlers to 3 dogs and evreybody takes their turn in the field.we allow each handler as much time as they need on the line to accomplish their goals for the day.and split into smaller groups if we are able.some of our more experianced handlers spend more time helping others on these monthly training days than running their own dog but they also train 3-5 days aweek. thats how we do it at river valley hrc.
 

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I think another idea would be for clubs who have quite a few members with new pups, is to have maybe 1or 2 folks that are well versed in the yard.

have those folks take that group of pups through the yard from basic OB to ff, to pile work, ending with the group running their first cld blblind shove each participant homework, then review progress each week
I could use this as the pro I was going to set up something with is in Florida or Georgia. Stuf like this could help newbs into the games or atleast I wouldn't be cussing so many other guys dogs while hunting.
 

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Thanks moosegooser for the link idea. We have to be careful throwing marks if the ground is too slippery or the snow too deep. Had one of mine blow a crusiate winter training here in the great white north.
 

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i love our club training days. if i don't feel like training dogs the day it is scheduled.....i always go!;-)

just kidding. our hrc club trains one saturday a month outside of hunting season. the sessions are always good but people usually seem to enjoy a "pic nic" test environment more than marking drills. we always do a big ft setup in the afternoon too. last spring i did a new puppy class with live bird introduction as part of our membership push at one training day.(i enjoyed it, not too sure about the new folks?)

our ft club trains every saturday. we have fun......mostly!
 

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Monkey + Football = You should get the picture Stan
My observation; very little training gets done, only want to work on multiple marks with alot of handling instead to teaching concepts to build on.

Disclaimer; I don't do club training days anymore, too much work for too little sugar.
Sounds spot on! Add a pinch of bitching and a sliver of gosspi!
 

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I've always heard "join a club,"join a club" "join a club" when people are talking to new folks just getting into the game but I seeing several people here say its basically a waste of time. What gives?
I'm in west KY and the nearest HRC clubs that I can find on the net are about 2 hours away in TN. Will I be wasting my time joining or is it a club by club deal where some are good and some others..not so much?
 

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I've always heard "join a club,"join a club" "join a club" when people are talking to new folks just getting into the game but I seeing several people here say its basically a waste of time. What gives?
I'm in west KY and the nearest HRC clubs that I can find on the net are about 2 hours away in TN. Will I be wasting my time joining or is it a club by club deal where some are good and some others..not so much?
Just speaking from my own experiences, I think the advice is good. At our training days, we make sure the n00bs and young dogs get some good training in and some good things to work on when they go home. When we set up something for more advanced dogs, we at least try to do it so that the newer folks can handle it--run as singles, move up, etc. If anything, the more advanced folks may get less out of it training wise, but it is always fun nonetheless. But we do have a fun club.
 

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I've always heard "join a club,"join a club" "join a club" when people are talking to new folks just getting into the game but I seeing several people here say its basically a waste of time. What gives?
I'm in west KY and the nearest HRC clubs that I can find on the net are about 2 hours away in TN. Will I be wasting my time joining or is it a club by club deal where some are good and some others..not so much?
There is more to a club than the training days. If you enjoy the sport, you ought to join a club, IMHO. If for no other reason than to provide support (financial, time & talent) so the clubs can continue to exist and to host events.

For some reason, I'm getting this picture of JFK's inauguration...."Ask not what your ........"


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Our club will usually have a Sr/Master level setup (multiple marks with a blind). At times, it can take too long to get things setup & there can be too much time between dogs, but I still find a way to work on something with my dog and hangout with my dog friends. It ain't perfect, but there are worse things to do on a Saturday.
 

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I've always heard "join a club,"join a club" "join a club" when people are talking to new folks just getting into the game but I seeing several people here say its basically a waste of time. What gives?
I'm in west KY and the nearest HRC clubs that I can find on the net are about 2 hours away in TN. Will I be wasting my time joining or is it a club by club deal where some are good and some others..not so much?
Joining a club is a good idea as you'll get access to experienced people and possibly land to train on. While there can be downside to a large training group, I'd try to find someone or somebodies within the club that have a good gameplan when they go training and catch on with a subset of the club. It's a catch 22 situation, you'll need a few people to help with multiple marks and some drills, i.e. ABC drills. I train with 2 -3 guys outside of my pro training day and we decide on a concept before even getting there, set it up, run it and move on the the next thing. Efficiency is almost as important as the training. Have a gameplan, keep a notebook on your dog, work on specific things. I keep a digital notebook on our setups to evaluate my dogs and continue to work on concepts that give me trouble. Even if a smaller group has something already setup, there is no reason why you couldn't tweak it to fit your needs. If your throwing birds for them, they should accomadate for you as well. Be positive, work hard and you'll get that in return from folks who enjoy training and really want to improve. Good luck.
 

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My club holds maybe a dozen "training days" throughout the year. It's a HT based club . We train on State Properties most of the time. So, I would say that the major drawback is quality of the grounds first and foremost. Very little tech water. Do the best with what you have though. We do have nice rolling farm fields.

I usually chair a few sessions a year . I try to find out in advance if there is a common concept that alot of people need to work on and then we try to repeat that concept in the two or three series of work we can accomplish during the session.

Because of the different levels of dogs/trainers present, you always try to have multiple options for blinds, and some of the other work. We usually devise one or two SH level blinds off to the side of the marks, vs. the MH level blinds that will be up the middle of the marks, or tight to the back of gunning stations etc. etc.



To make it all work though, you've got to delegate some of the jobs out, start working at the designated time, and everyone who comes "works". Keep it fun, and try to teach and reinforce something each session. And, have some fun !
 
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