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Dave asked me to mention that they have had a few observer cancellations for the upcoming Rorem Handling Workshop in Michigan after the National Amateur. So, if you were thinking about participating, but worried that too much time had passed, throw your name in the mix.

I have attended two Rorem Workshops and plan to make it an annual event. It is a tremendous learning experience for anyone who wants to become a better handler.

I really cannot say enough good things about the experience.
 

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Will "Zen" be talked about in this years seminar?
 

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Thanks, Ted for the info on the workshop. To apply you need to go to Dave's website www.roremretrievers.com.

It says that no apps will be taken after May 1, but since there are a few openings, just go ahead and submit your application and ignore the cut off dates.

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Michigan Rorem Workshop

Well, it's almost here......the MI workshop starts this Friday 6/29 thru Sunday 7/1 in Fenwick, MI. We have attendees from Maine to Texas. The weather should be great and the experience priceless!!

Safe travels to all and if anyone has any last minute questions or concerns, you can contact Jerry with the Wolverine Retriever Club (hosting club) at 586-383-3274.

See you there!
Barbara Younglove
 

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Barb

How was the seminar?

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Ted Shih said:
How was the seminar?

Ted
Awesome! Best money and time I have ever spent........ dave is a great teacher.

Many thanks to the Wolverine Club for hosting this event!
 

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Susan

What made the seminar special for you?

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I totally agree with Susan that Dave is a great Teacher.

Ted I would have to say what I liked was learning the handlers pyramid, when to get on & off on point blinds, timing of the whistle, how to read the dog if they are to watery or to skinny in the water how you are going to set the dog up for the next bird. I liked how Dave explained the differences of handling a dog at a weekend FT verses the National.

I am most defiantly going to go again as a handler I think you learn so much not just running your dog but running dogs off of Dave's truck and having him critique you the entire time. I ran Maverick & Aero.
 

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Ted Shih said:
Susan

What made the seminar special for you?

Ted
Dave is a great teacher. I walked into that seminar like a fumbling amateur, and walked out very smooth. That handler's triangle works perfectly, and if you get it down smooth along with the execution of your casts, it just flows with ease. (It's really all geometry). I was amazed at the water blinds I was able to do using Dave's techniques and coaching. On the last blind I ran on Sunday, I ran it extremely well with Aero, and when I came back with Honor, I challenged that line to the limit with Honor, and got a great result. The communication between Honor and I was perfect, and it showed in our performance of marks and blinds.

I had heard in the past that marks were the dog's job and blinds were the handler's. I saw readily how untrue that statement is. I was very proud of the work Honor and I did by mid-Saturday, and what we were able to achieve in a very small bit of time. I'm looking forward to getting that DVD of my work with my dog.

The focus on handling and not dog training makes it an intensive course that was just what I needed.

But Ted, I do wish you would quit promoting this seminar to others - I really don't want my competition to have the same knowledge I do! :D
 

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But Ted, I do wish you would quit promoting this seminar to others - I really don't want my competition to have the same knowledge I do! :D
Susan

It is one thing to have the knowledge.

It is another to execute that knowledge under pressure.

Dave helps people have the former.

However, only they can actualize the latter.

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Ted Shih said:
JusticeDog said:
But Ted, I do wish you would quit promoting this seminar to others - I really don't want my competition to have the same knowledge I do! :D
Susan

It is one thing to have the knowledge.

It is another to execute that knowledge under pressure.

Dave helps people have the former.

However, only they can actualize the latter.

Ted
Very true, Ted. I was kidding about my comment, hence the :D
 

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Ted,

We had a great weekend!! And a great turnout! It was lots of work to host it, but definitely worth it!!

As you know, Dave is a great teacher. He not only tells you what you are doing wrong, he tells you when you have made a good choice.

The Art and Science of Handling Retrievers on dvd and the workshops are a must for anyone that is serious about this sport.

Barb
 

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Barb

What are the three most important lessons you took away from the seminar?

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Ted.....I came away with much more than three but here are the ones I really want to concentrate on:

1. The importance of control between the holding blind and the line and how it will affect your dog's performance after he leaves the line.

2. Keep the handling triangle skinny for optimum casts.

3. Learn to read your dogs intentions.

Another one of my favorites is "finish what you start".(a particularily bad habit of mine)

Dave spoke often of you, Ted. How you handled your dogs at the national amateur and how you have applied the many concepts that Dave shares in the DVD and the workshops.

I, also am a student of Dave's and I attribute much of my success to applying his handling and training philosophies.

I look forward to meeting you someday!!

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What is the "handling triangle"?
 

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WOW!....Talk about 3 days of sittin' in the sun with a great teacher defining the Art of Handling................Excellent..........

Although I was only able to attend as a observer, the exchange of knowledge was superb...........but the desire to get to the line and handle a dawg was probably the hardest thing to overcome all weekend.

As the weekend progressed you could see each handler team growing stronger in their handler skills and developing confidence and Positive Momentum at the line...............

I too came away with many skills and thoughts, much more than three, that Dave stressed over and over again.............

Negative Momentum..........Train Hard, Compete Easy.........Make the holding blind to the mat, Mandatory Compliance..........Accomplishment & Attainment.........Handler influence is absolutely paramount in the dawgs success....................Don't play down a good performance...............Get On the point as late as you can, Get Off the point as soon as ya can.......Walk towards the Hazard, move with yer dawg.......Don't Spectate.........Watch the dawg on marks, except for the flyer.......The Handlers Triangle.........Finish what you Start...........Blow the whistle long and solid..............Have the next breath ready..............Voice inflection........... :arrow: and on and on

It was also great to be able to meet some of the RTF Family in person, Barb Younglove, Greg Seddon, Susan Bledsoe, Judy Chute, Larry Atkins, Bob Mazingo.........to name a few.............. :)

I too liked the comparison Dave made to a weekend FT and the Nationals.....and the difference in handling at each...............

I look forward to attending another of Dave's Seminars......but with a dawg at my side this time........... :wink:

With Wendy and I moving to Texas next year, I know that opportunity will present itself, along with being able to train with Dave on a daily basis is something I'm looking forward to............ :D

Heck Ted, maybe I 'll even get to run Mootsie or Buffy or Zowie in Fayettsville next year...........what a rush............ :)

I agree with Susan though Ted, let's keep the Rorem Seminar's low key.......and not give the competition a edge................ :lol:

A Huge THANK YOU to Dave and his Sponsors, Tri-Tronics and Purina, for a great weekend................and a Special THANKS to Dave's Clients that allowed the handlers to run their dawgs at the Seminar................:)

See ya all on the Mat................. :wink:
 

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Dan

Accomplishment & Attainment
What do you mean by this?

Don't play down a good performance
Or this?

Finish what you Start
Or this

I too liked the comparison Dave made to a weekend FT and the Nationals.....and the difference in handling at each...............
Which was?

Appreciate any elaboration you can offer. Dave is constantly "tweaking and tuning" his seminars. I don't recall these discussions (but, I could be wrong) at the two previous seminars that I attended.

Heck Ted, maybe I 'll even get to run Mootsie or Buffy or Zowie in Fayettsville next year...........what a rush............ :)
I plan on running at least two of them next January at the seminar.

Look forward to seeing you with your dogs there

Ted
 

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What is the "handling triangle"?
The theory is that you move your position to optimize your cast.

Imagine a triangle formed by

Blind
Dog
Mat

If dog is undercasting - e.g., you give right back and get left back or left angle back, then you close the triangle - that is, make the triangle narrower - by changing your position (taking a step or two to your left), so that your next cast is as close to a straight back as possible.

If dog is overcasting - e.g you give right back and get right over - then you open the triangle - that is you make the triangle wider - by changing your position (taking a step or two to your left) - so that when you give your next cast (a left back), and the dog overcasts to the left, it is more on line to the blind.

Hard to explain in words

Easier to see in person

There was a thread on it somewhere earlier

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Ted, when Dave spoke of Accomplishment & Attainment he spoke about how handlers view the FT venue based on the above two.....by Accomplishments he was referring to the Titles......the FC, AFC & NAFC....and how some handlers are driven by only these Titles...... and forget the personal satisfaction, Attainment, of continually doing a great job at the line whether it a weekend FT or a National and that satisfaction and Positive Momentum associated with that work at the line.............and how only looking for Titles washes out so many people in our sport........

The Don't Down Play a Good Performance also goes along with the Negative Momentum that handlers have at the line or when leaving the line...........and how they're always talking negatively about the their performance or their dawgs performance versus the things that were done well...........

Finish What You Start was in reference to handling on Marks, in other words, Don't Specate, if you start to handle on a Mark, don't become a spectator on the Mat, get your dawg to the bird as effectively and quickly as possible.................because the performance on that one Mark may be the deciding factor in 1st or 2nd in that FT.........

Dave's comparisons of weekend FT versus Nationals mainly referred to how a handler or himself might approach/run a certain Mark or Blind in each of the above situations, such as your approach with Mootsie on the one Mark at the National......and throughout the weekend he tried to express different situations where a handler may attack a blind differently or run a Mark differently based on the their analyzing the setup or the other dawgs performances on Key Birds........like a short retired hen pheasant, or casting off points and long retired water marks.......each of which just may be the one to get you to the next series or win the FT....

Ted, I can't say enough about Dave as a teacher.........even my wife Wendy remarked about how happy his clients dawgs were while they were involved doing the Seminar...........and how Dave's daughter Tye was also so happily involved with the dawgs and how she wouldn't hesitate one moment in placing a dawg with Dave and his family for training.........which I have already talked to Dave about...............and what a nice person Dave and his daughter are............. :wink:

Looking forward to the next Seminar already............hope to see you there.......... :D
 
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