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Have a friend running a derby as I type this. He said the dog got the short bird great but when sent for the long bird he headed for the old fall, just as he got to the old fall he notice the long gunner and kept going and picked up the bird with a small hunt. Is he still playing or is he out?
 

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Depends on the judges and the dogs performance verses the field.
 

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to borrow the phrase "it depends"...is it the last series, and what have the other dogs done, was it a tight double..the term in the derby is usually "..Pin to Win"
 

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to borrow the phrase "it depends"...is it the last series, and what have the other dogs done, was it a tight double..the term in the derby is usually "..Pin to Win"
First series, very tight double, 30 dog field, 15 dogs have run, 5 dogs are out.
 

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He was called back to second series, thanks for your comments.
 

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He was called back to second series, thanks for your comments.
Obviously these judges called the dog back. May not happen with every pair of judges. I saw a derby dog run straight over an old fall of the short bird but continue on to the long gun in a not-so-tight double. Dog never put its nose down and was called back. Talked to one of the judges of that test and he said if the handler wanted to let his dog do that, he'd call it back. He did not view it as a switch, which is mandatory elimination from the stake. I agree with that decision.

As a judge, I had a handler (1st or second derby he had run) go to the 4th probably winning the trial. He sent is dog for the go bird, dog swam about half way across pond and turned left to go pin the long bird (only dog to get it without a hunt). Dog came back and the handler started to pull out his lead. I told him whoa, put that lead up and go get the other bird. Of course his dog was now confused by the delay or maybe he had burned up his line to the go bird. Tried to send twice and dog would not go. Handler not knowing the rule for a switch likely cost hom a win and surely cost hom a placement.
 
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