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Given that part of the purpose of testing/trialing is to identify the best individuals for breeding purposes, Is it in our best interest not to allow females in heat to perform and be judged. The reproductive capacity of the male to produce offspring is so much greater than the female. In a perfect world a female could produce about 120 offspring (2 litters/yr x 10 puppies x 6 years reproductive life). A male could easily do that in a month. Suppose Lottie came in season the first week of November each year. She certainly would have proven her worth as a retriever, but she wouldn't have been a 3X NFC.
 

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I've only run one dog & she didn't start running until after she was spayed, so I have no idea what factors into training & running an intact bitch.

But... ..as the owner of a male now who I hope to be competitive with I'll ask: How much does a bitch in season effect the performance of an intact male? Can you "train around it" with exposure or is there an unfair advantage to the males when a bitch in season is on the grounds?

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Considering that all males and 99% of all females lose their brains either around bitches in season or being in season, no good can come from running them while they are in season.

JMHO.....

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And Eleanor, that was funny:
DejaMoo: The feeling that you've heard this bull before.
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I would just love to have my male honoring another male while there is a bitch in season in the vicinity - NOT!
 

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KG said:
Considering that all males and 99% of all females lose their brains either around bitches in season or being in season, no good can come from running them while they are in season.JMHO.....
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Not to mention the fact that dogs have to honor each other and would most certainly would get into a fight over even scent on the ground much less with a hot bitch in and around the holding blind or line.
 

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Roger Perry said:
Not to mention the fact that dogs have to honor each other and would most certainly would get into a fight over even scent on the ground much less with a hot bitch in and around the holding blind or line.
Been there, done that. We had a fun test last spring. I had my 16 month old male on a lead taking him to the airing area. When we got over there Ace starts going nuts. I'm wondering what the heck is going on. Then a few minutes later here come two teens with a dog. They had him off lead and next thing you know my young male is getting attacked and I'm trying to pull them appart. Shortly afterward, I had to run my dog and predictably he does all kinds of stupid crap that I'd never seen him pull before.

I put my dog away and a little later, here comes an a$$hat with a female who is in heat. He had her in a trailer, you guessed it, right at the edge of the airing area that you had to pass within a few feet of to get over there! A$$hat figures he can just run his female last. My dog has been aggressive toward males ever since.

So, no - I definitely don't think females that are in season have any business on the grounds.
 

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Could you imagine the male being the honor dog with the female in heat running up wind of the honor dog???

Rather than a break, you could have an illegal breeding????
 

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hhlabradors said:
Gerard Rozas said:
No Brainer.
Not allowed on grounds or to compete.

Why?
Why?

At the Sunflower trial last weekend, someone was running a bitch in heat.

When my male dogs went into the holding blind, they began licking the ground.

When my male dogs came to the line, they began licking the mat.

When my male dogs went into the honor box, they began licking the ground at the honor station.

I was not very pleased that someone chose to evade the rules.

There is a reason that - over many years - bitches in heat are barred from competition.

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I have heard many complain that someone has run a bitch in heat in front of them. Has anyone ever seen a "Bitch Check" performed at a field trial other than a National. No one seems interested enough to make it happen.

I'm a little unclear on exactly when a bitch is considered to have begun Proestrus (the first stage of heat) is it when she starts puffin' or when she actually starts spotting.
 

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Has anyone ever seen a "Bitch Check" performed at a field trial other than a National
Several times. When the dogs start licking the ground it's normal to do a bitch check of all the females. I haven't seen a bitch check catch a bitch in season yet.

I think some females just smell hotter to the males.
 

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I know how my 2 intact males act when my intact female is in heat. Idiots. They start acting that way a month before. Magnum being the daddy of my female, knows a female is in heat a mile away.
I was at a hunt test last spring where a female who had been bred was sitting on the honor bucket and a male who had not been used as a stud, but had been around females in heat came to the line and smelled the smell of the female and ran over to her and tried to mount her. Needless to say the male was disqualified. I honestly think even though the female wasn't in full blown heat, she should of gone last.
 

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Gerard Rozas said:
No Brainer.
Not allowed on grounds or to compete.
I agree.

When our girls are in season, the males stop eating, stop learning, and won't even do simple singles without stopping to piss several times.

Bitch owners, myself included, have to understand the consequences of owning and competing with one -- when the bitch is in season, you stay home.
 

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I have never seen a bitch check at an AKC FT or HT, only at HRC HTs.
 

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Ted Shih said:
hhlabradors said:
Gerard Rozas said:
No Brainer.
Not allowed on grounds or to compete.

Why?
Why?

At the Sunflower trial last weekend, someone was running a bitch in heat.

When my male dogs went into the holding blind, they began licking the ground.

When my male dogs came to the line, they began licking the mat.

When my male dogs went into the honor box, they began licking the ground at the honor station.

I was not very pleased that someone chose to evade the rules.

There is a reason that - over many years - bitches in heat are barred from competition.

Ted
Ted -

Did you request a bitch check?

Regards,

Joe S.
 

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AmiableLabs said:
Bitch owners, myself included, have to understand the consequences of owning and competing with one -- when the bitch is in season, you stay home.
Not so easy when bitch comes into season at the trial and you have other dogs entered. The clubs will not give refunds if you have to pull the dogs that are not in season or are male. And, what about a bitch coming in season at a trial while on a pro's truck. Where can he/she put a bitch in season and still run his/her other dogs.
 

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Joe S. said:
Ted Shih said:
hhlabradors said:
Gerard Rozas said:
No Brainer.
Not allowed on grounds or to compete.

Why?
Why?

At the Sunflower trial last weekend, someone was running a bitch in heat.

When my male dogs went into the holding blind, they began licking the ground.

When my male dogs came to the line, they began licking the mat.

When my male dogs went into the honor box, they began licking the ground at the honor station.

I was not very pleased that someone chose to evade the rules.

There is a reason that - over many years - bitches in heat are barred from competition.

Ted
Ted -

Did you request a bitch check?

Regards,

Joe S.

Not sure if Ted requested a bitch check or not but the damage was done by that time....but then again that is just me thinking out loud.

Shame on the person who did that knowingly.
 

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I mentioned my suspicions to the members of the club working the trial and I was not quiet about my unhappiness. Did I make a formal complaint? No.

However, I think it was pretty obvious when I came up to the line in the fourth series with Ace as the test dog (Buffy and Zowie were in competition) and Ace started licking the mat.
 

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Roger Perry said:
Not so easy when bitch comes into season at the trial and you have other dogs entered. The clubs will not give refunds if you have to pull the dogs that are not in season or are male. And, what about a bitch coming in season at a trial while on a pro's truck. Where can he/she put a bitch in season and still run his/her other dogs.
In a crate in their hotel room or travel trailer? Surely someone who trains dogs for a living can figure something out.
 
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