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When you are entering an event, do you pay any attention to the Club's scratch fee and the policy for obtaining a refund?

There are some clubs that only provide a refund if the dog is injured/sick/dies or the dog is in heat. Scratch fees range from $15 to your entire entry fee.

What is a reasonable scratch fee to cover live birds (usually two), food that has been purchased to serve to attendees, catalogs, etc. Birds in our area run $12-$13 each.

Do you have complaints from entrants if you have to add judges to an AKC Hunting Test because the entries are in excess of the AKC's rules for splitting into multiple flights and the dog/handler is assigned to a judge that was not initially listed on the premium? How do you handle the complaints? Handlers are not allowed to "choose" their judges per AKC rules.
 

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Yes,,, absolutely.

Refunds for vet excuses only.. The help, birds, equipment has been lined up already to match the number of entries. For all other scratches they have to eat it.

If they complain about running under another set of judges because the stake had to be split due to entry size,,,, TOUGH!!! Hello??? "What did you think would happen if the stake got too big", whiny handler??? Hunt tests are non competitive and do not award championship points.. So it's a non-issue.

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Our club charges $50 scratch fee for any dog that is not injured or in heat. We do not refund no shows. If the secretary or event chairman has not been notified prior to the start of the event entered no money back. We had a big problem with scratches when we only charged $25 scratch fee. We spent that much in birds alone not to mention the workers that we hire, food, shells and poppers purchased.

I think the $50 worked well for us. The number of scratches were smaller and the increase covered the expenses without the club taking a hit. I had no complaints from anyone on it.

I do look at the scratch policy for the events I enter. I never know what may happen with other obligations and I dont want to loose my whole entry fee if possible.

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To answer your first question, yes I pay attention but to be honest if I scratch for personal reasons that should be on me and not the club so I am okay with no refund. Entry fees are only part of the expense for this game for a handler and as Angie said, after the draw the club has to make arrangements that simply can't be refunded, especially if the flight has to be split (extra judges, extra help, etc.). As far as complaints, I can understand a handler having a concern if they chose to attend one club's test because of the judges that were advertised but one must understand the club or hunt test chair has bigger concerns to deal with if they have an unexpected split.
 

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If the bitch is already there and comes in season, do you still think that the club should require a vet certificate be be presented befor a refund is given?

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If the bitch is already there and comes in season, do you still think that the club should require a vet certificate be be presented befor a refund is given?

john
Good question John?? What do you think??

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If the bitch is already there and comes in season, do you still think that the club should require a vet certificate be be presented befor a refund is given?

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Most clubs give you something like two weeks to provide a vet letter.

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Here's wording from a HT premium:

"As per AKC rules, tests will be split if Master entries exceed 60 or if Senior entries exceed 50 either day. In the event of a split, flights will be assigned by random draw and will not be changed after the draw. Please note on your entry if you are sharing a vehicle with another handler. The club reserves the right to replace, reassign or add judges as may be required. Refunds will not be made as a result of such changes."
 

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The regs are very clear. Full refunds for injury, death, bitch in heat. Everything else is up to the club. Our policy is that refunds for extraordinary circumstances -i.e. military call up, serious illness of handler - are at the descretion of the Board of the club. Our premium specifically states the obvious that the club has the right to split stakes and bring in judges not on the premium. "You pays your money and you takes your chance."
 

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...the dog/handler is assigned to a judge that was not initially listed on the premium? How do you handle the complaints? Handlers are not allowed to "choose" their judges per AKC rules.
What is the purpose of a "premium"? Isn't it a contract essentially? If new judges are "assigned" handlers should be able to decline and receive a full refund.
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Complaints should be directed to the Almighty Kennel Club so clubs can limit entries.
 

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What is the purpose of a "premium"? Isn't it a contract essentially? If new judges are "assigned" handlers should be able to decline and receive a full refund.
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Complaints should be directed to the Almighty Kennel Club so clubs can limit entries.
They can in FT's as long as it happens before the start of the stake.
 

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I think that upon the handlers notification of the situation they should do a bitch check. Then based on the results, either let the dog run or give the money back.

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What is the purpose of a "premium"? Isn't it a contract essentially? If new judges are "assigned" handlers should be able to decline and receive a full refund.
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Complaints should be directed to the Almighty Kennel Club so clubs can limit entries.
No,, No and Hell NO!!! Complain all you want but clubs can limit entries quite effectively within the rules.. They do it all the time.

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I think that upon the handlers notification of the situation they should do a bitch check. Then based on the results, either let the dog run or give the money back.

john
I think you should do that John at your clubs next event. Sounds like a swell idea.

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There is a big difference between what you can do and what you should do. As the secretary/treasurer for the Rocky Mountain Retriever Club, I have posted strict rules about the conditions for obtaining a scratch fee. However, I try to be generous in refunding scratch monies. Things happen, and I believe that most people would attend if possible. To me, it's a golden rule thing.

I remember once a judge ordered me into Court on a Friday. Since the FT was 400+ miles away, that meant that I would not be able to run the Open or Qual with my dogs. So I called the treasurer and asked if I could get a portion of my entry fees back. The club said no, and I lost $400+ in entry fees. I think that they could have returned 1/2 and both of us would have been ahead. But, they didn't. A couple of years later, the club was in a bind and needed a judge. They called me. I reminded the secretary/treasurer of what had happened in the past, and said no. What goes around, comes around. So, watch your karma. Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you.
 

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I think you should do that John at your clubs next event. Sounds like a swell idea.

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Thats what a bitch check is for isn't it ??

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Most clubs give you something like two weeks to provide a vet letter.

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In the old days many vets would just write an excuse, but now many people have found that the vets require an Office visit, and many charge $60 so it isn't worth it to take the time and pay the money. I would think someone on the committee could do a bitch check and get it over with right then and there.
 
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