[Sundown49 aka Otey B]

Well since everyone is on the puppy thing think about this. I have my Maxx dog who is FC AFC Teddy's Ebonstar James X Longbranch Dixie Dancer QAA . Dixie is also the dam of the 2006 National Champion Dr. Cooper PHD MH. I have not been able to do all he is capable of due to my health. EVERY pup sired by him has points or titles in HRC. If I breed him to my bitch Blackwater High Tech Hanna, FC AFC Blackwater Rudy X Nabs Star Of Ebonstar (FC AFC Hawkeye's BR Buddy X Candlewoods Ms. Lean Alley) what would the pups be worth. Mya ( Nabs Star Of Ebonstar) belongs to a pro trainer friend who would not campaign her because of his ethics. (Possible Conflict of Interest with clients) Ms Lean Alley has no titles but is a sibling to FC AFC Candlewood's Autumn Run Vince, FC AFC Candlewood's Court Jester and several more titled dogs according to good dog info website. What would this breeding be worth ?? Are any of you field trial bunch a GAMBLER? All breedings are a crap shoot. But this is a good one I think.. What would you ask for a pup out of this breeding?
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[Sundown49 aka Otey B]

price.......

100 views and NO opinions...........HUMMMMMMMMMMM sounds like i have a problem....... :lol:

 

[Ted Shih]

Otey

Don't know enough about your bitch to have an opinion.

I like my gambles to be relatively educated ones.

Ted

 

[Kris Hunt]

It's a funny thing. I don't think that the value of the puppy should be based on whether or not field trialers are going to buy them. In my opinion, the best home a dog can go to is a family home that hunts the dog and maybe runs a few hunt tests. That dog will get all the love and attention and not have to go through the rigors of a field trial dog.

With that said, I wouldn't sell those pups for anything less than $600. Your most likely buyers are going to be people who know you and know your dogs and perhaps some of the pups from previous breedings. But who knows, you might end up having a headline of a 'leftover, hardely ever trained, paid 600 bucks for him, parents are not FCAFC' and the pup turns out to be a NFC - Happens!

If you look at Lean Mac, his pedigree is hardly stellar, but thank goodness someone took a chance on him. There are many more with the same story.

Kris

 

[Miriam Wade]

Kris Hunt wrote:

It's a funny thing. I don't think that the value of the puppy should be based on whether or not field trialers are going to buy them. In my opinion, the best home a dog can go to is a family home that hunts the dog and maybe runs a few hunt tests. That dog will get all the love and attention and not have to go through the rigors of a field trial dog.

Kris-

I don't disagree with this at all & I could have written a few months ago, but..

..while I bought my dog from a breeder who is not concerned if I don't run him-she just likes the fact that he has a good, loving home-I think that some dogs really enjoy the rigors of training for upper levels. (I had to see it to believe it & now I do)Some really need to be challenged to be happy & while running a few HTs would definitely help keep the dog happy, the ones with potential for more should get a chance to see if they can cut it. Someone is sure to jump in with the "The dogs don't care it's all for the owner's ego", but I really believe that some dogs are happier being challenged.

I think you can balance a good home with upper level training & have a very happy dog. If whoever trains them trains fairly & with respect (pro or amateur) the dogs are going to be show it.

Sorry-as usual-I rambled off the topic, but part of my point is that I can see folks w/ top notch breedings wanting the pups in FT homes.

M

 

[ducksoup]

Kris,
I can hardly think you can say that Lean Mac's pedigree is not stellar -- out of a two time National Ch. (CNFC and CNAFC) -- great bloodlines -- maybe not all titled but most were All Age -- and very good titled dogs in each generation at least on sire's side

 

[Kris Hunt]

"The dogs don't care it's all for the owner's ego", but I really believe that some dogs are happier being challenged.

I think you can balance a good home with upper level training & have a very happy dog. If whoever trains them trains fairly & with respect (pro or amateur) the dogs are going to be show it.

Sorry-as usual-I rambled off the topic, but part of my point is that I can see folks w/ top notch breedings wanting the pups in FT homes.

M

Absolutely, some dogs belong on a pro truck, some dogs do not. That is a topic just on it's own. I can think of a handful of dogs that I know are happier on a truck, but I know more that would be just as happy with mom and dog doing the training and keeping them home. Some are equally happy either way. I'm not saying in any way that a field trial dog is unhappy, mine Love It and wouldn't do anything else. the ones I had that didn't found new homes.

Kris
Blacktail Labradors

 

[John Gassner]

I thought you were selling all your dogs?


John

 

[Jason Zerrer]

500 range

 

[Waterfowl Retrievers]

Otey, has the female been bred/produced worthy pups in the past? That is big for me. No- $500, Yes $600-700. Paul

 

[Sundown49 aka Otey B]

Thanks all.....

A few words about the bitch........I bought 2 pups out of this breeding to train and sell as started dogs.The first one a Black was sold to a guy in PA when I was real sick after my heart surgery. I could not take care of the other so I gave her to a friend to work with. He did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING with her and I repossessed her. She has all the drive in the world and will mark very well now. She Flew through FF and loves to work. Her littermate has a SH title already and I believe Hannah could do it too !! A few things about her Dam. Nabs Star Of Ebonstar. VERY nce bitch..STRONG...just not campaigned as I said in my first post. The reason I threw out the remark about a FT home is these dogs DESERVE their potential. PM me for someone to give references about MYA (Nabs Star Of Ebonstar). I agree that the BITCH line needs to be strong and produce but I also LOOK at the animals.

 

[Sundown49 aka Otey B]

Grand dam siblings....

CANDLEWOOD AND BUFFALO CREEK'S TONKA F


FC-AFC
CANDLEWOOD COURT JESTER M


HR
CANDLEWOOD LEAN LOTIE DOTIE F



CANDLEWOOD ROKEE RUSH M


AFC
CANDLEWOOD SHOW ME THE MONEY M



CANDLEWOOD SYNCOPATION ***, SH, MH F


FC-AFC
CANDLEWOOD'S ABSOLUTE POWER M


FC
CANDLEWOODS AUTUMN RUN VINCE M



CANDLEWOODS CLASSIC COUPE M



CANDLEWOODS LOTTA TLC F



CANDLEWOODS POWER SURGE M


FC
CANDLEWOODS ROKEE ELY-JAH M



CANDLEWOODS TIME AFTER TIME F



CANDLEWOOD'S TURBO CHARGED F

 

[smillerdvm]

Like John Gassner said, I thought you were getting rid of your dogs!

 

[Sundown49 aka Otey B]

dogs....

Guys I have 17 Labs.....I am not getting rid of 15 years of research and effort. I am not dead but just cutting back....