[Scott Cmelik]

I have been having some problems with single T and I am hoping yall can help out.

I started running T on sunday by identifying the pile and slowly moing back till I was running full length and every thing went fine. Yesterday I identified the two over piles and reidentified the back pile, then ran it full length six or seven times with no real issues.

Today I started at the end line and lined to the bavk pile 4 or 5 times. The next send I stopped her on the whistle and casted her to the back pile, no problems there. I lined to the back pile 3 or 4 more times and it went fine. The problem started after I stopped her the second time and gave her an over cast. After the over cast, the next time I sent her she ran to tge apex and took a 90° right to the over pile so I stoppwd her and casted her to the back pile. The next send she noo'ed me, so I took a step forward and gave her a nic here and sent her and she no go'ed again. So again I gave her a nic here abd sent het. This time she ran out ten feet and just started running around so I called her in moved back to the apex and.started lining to the back pile till we were back at full length.

My question is that the aporopriate way to handle the situation? Aftet I stopped her the last time she just acted really really confused. She is 10 months old been through Ff, ftp, three handed casting etc.

 

[Wayne Nutt]

You didn't say how you identified the over piles. In the Lardy method, which I follow, the in between step is to do a simple casting session with the dog at the apex. From remote sit cast to all three piles a few times each. Then move back only about twenty yds or so then do a mini T session from this point. Back to the pile, occassionally stopping at the apex and casting alternately over and back. Lots of freebies. It sounds like this is the step you skipped.

You had the right correction for no-goes but it sounds like the dog was confused. Move closer to the apex as the dog was confused about going down the middle of the over piles.

Hope this helps.

 

[Duckquilizer]

IMO, you may have moved too quickly to the full length T. I spend a little longer making sure they have the back pile set in hard and then a mini-T. I spend a couple days or even three just moving back. Each session start forward then back until they really have it down. I think your issues are dog confussion/confidence problems.


We must have read the same book Wayne. LOL

 

[troy schwab]

I would put the collar away and simplify....... the dog obviously doesnt understand (imo) what you are asking of it. Run the drill with a remote sit at the apex with no pressure, and see if the dog understands the casts fully. If she takes the wrong cast..... NO ..... return it to the apex and start again. My dog is pretty soft, and I found that when I used collar pressure too early, it garnered similar results. When the dog is taking all of your casts, slowly back away, just you..... til your are about 50 yds from the apex. When the dog is running this drill at this distance, that is when I moved to full T. Attrition worked best for me..... Good luck.

 

[Howard N]

You did pretty well. It is confusing, that's why we do it. We work through these confusing issues here in the the yard, where it's simpler, so they are less confused when we're out in the field running real, albeit beginning, blinds.

I think you did everything right. You moved back, you got confusion and no goes from the dog. You made an appropriate correction and you moved up and worked through it. That's dog training. Now in the coming days, you'll be moving back again. Expect that you can have more no goes and probably popping. When you get these, do what you did, work through it by making appropriate corrections and simplifying. I takes me about 4 to 5 weeks to get a ftp'd dog through a double T with run by.

To me, it sounds like normal beginning T work.

 

[Scott Cmelik]

IMO, you may have moved too quickly to the full length T. I spend a little longer making sure they have the back pile set in hard and then a mini-T. I spend a couple days or even three just moving back. Each session start forward then back until they really have it down. I think your issues are dog confussion/confidence problems.


We must have read the same book Wayne. LOL

I agree that its confusion. To identify the back pile I her at my side about ten yards from the pile tossed a bumper into the pile and sent her and tgen sent her on back moving back fifteen twenty yards as she was on the way to the pile. I think this afternoon I will go back to the apex and line it again for awhile.

 

[Mary Lynn Metras]

Put the collar away. You probably have moved too fast. Shorten your distance and restart again. Something she does not understand! Do as Wayne described. No collar!!!!however. Not a teaching tool!!