[Mad_At_M]

We want to make sure everyone understands. We as a club have decided, the FIRST 10 dogs in the Amateur will run in order per the premium and published running order. It does not matter if you are the first dog in the open on Saturday morning, you better be at the Amateur. If you are one of the first 10 dogs and you are not there, you will be put on the clock and dropped.

Please keep in mind, we are not being mean, we just believe in the luck of the draw in the running order.

Thank You! We look forward to seeing everyone at our trial.

Come Hungry...We have Diamond B Consessions whooping up some outstanding lunch. Maybe breakfast if he will get out of bed and show up.

 

[K G]

Are you going to delay the start of the Open Saturday morning to, say, 9am, so that the Amateur can start in order and you won't have a bunch of foul attitudes all over the grounds for the rest of the weekend?

Just a thought.....

Been there/done that regards,

kg

 

[Guest]

What happened to the Open taking precedence as per the AKC rulebook ?

 

[Angie B]

Why would you do that????? :shock:

Angie

 

[Ken Guthrie]

Why would you do that????? :shock:

Angie

Why not?

 

[Shayne Mehringer]

Why would you do that????? :shock:

Angie

The biggest logistical concern i'd have is client running 6th dog in the AM and its the 2nd or 3rd dog that the pro needs to run out of the 12 he has back for the land blind... now the pro can't run any of his other dogs until the client gets back, otherwise the pro would have to run his dogs out of order.

Even if you try to get the Am started before the Open gets going... the Am is setting up marks and the Open is likely just running a land blind... so the Open will probably be rocking before the Am.

I think it's a valiant effort, but i'm not sure i would "bind" myself to the first 10 dog thing just incase you get in a situation where Eckett or Schrader, etc.. can't run any of their dogs cuz they are wanting on a client to return - with a likely tired dog.

SM

 

[Mad_At_M]

AM will be running before the open. If there is a good reason someone is not there, a mashal should be notified. See Page 17 & 18 & 19 of your Rules. The Judges, FTC and Head Marshal makes those decisions. The open is important, but not any more important than the Am. Expediting the trail is most important along with fairness. If you have ever had to deal with sandbaggers, you will understand.

 

[Guest]

and i sure would hate to be that one amateur trainer/handler running my own dog (possibly my only dog) in the open that has to run first because some pro can't run his dog due to the fact that his client has it at the amateur.

 

[Guest]

pg 38-39 "all field trial-giving clubs should clearly recognize that open, limited or special all-age stakes are of the first importance, and that all other stakes are of relatively lesser importance......."
"the amateur all-age stake merits next consideration,...."

 

[Guest]

pg 38-39 "all field trial-giving clubs should clearly recognize that open, limited or special all-age stakes are of the first importance, and that all other stakes are of relatively lesser importance......."
"the amateur all-age stake merits next consideration,...."

 

[Ken Guthrie]

How bout this one for a genius idea................

Pay your entry...........

Show up with your dog.............

Run when they tell you to................

Hope for a placement............

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Note- These are my opinions only and do not reflect the Sooner Retriever Club. As I have no dog in this fight but think it's stupid to even have a DOW unless you are gonna run in order.

 

[Shayne Mehringer]

The open is important, but not any more important than the Am. Expediting the trail is most important along with fairness. If you have ever had to deal with sandbaggers, you will understand.

Amen to that!

I am always more worried about getting my minor stake goin on Friday morning and my AM going on Saturday morning than i am the Open.

SM

 

[pistol]

if a pro at the open's next dog was at the am wouldn't he be allowed to run his next dog?
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Juan Manuel Fangio

 

[W Knight]

open, limited or special all-age stakes are of the first importance, and that all other stakes are of relatively lesser importance......."

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .... W H Y ... ??????????????

White Knight

 

[Patrick Johndrow]

open, limited or special all-age stakes are of the first importance, and that all other stakes are of relatively lesser importance......."

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .... W H Y ... ??????????????

White Knight

Actually the rule book use the word ?consideration? not ?importance? but it is what the rule book states but there are other qualifiers listed?so the reason why is because it is in the rules?but then again the rule book seems to be fairly irrelevant at weekend trials so your question is valid. :wink:

 

[Pete Marcellus]

if a pro at the open's next dog was at the am wouldn't he be allowed to run his next dog?

This actually happened at the open, the pro asked if he could just run his next dog and we allowed him to do just that.

Pete

 

[Anthony Heath]

How about we first considered if the dog should be at the Open or the Am, then decided it should be at the Am. :twisted:

 

[Steve Amrein]

open, limited or special all-age stakes are of the first importance, and that all other stakes are of relatively lesser importance......."

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .... W H Y ... ??????????????

White Knight

So the open can finish on Sat or by noon on Sun. :roll:

I dont get it, who is putting on theses trials and for whom.

 

[Patrick Johndrow]

open, limited or special all-age stakes are of the first importance, and that all other stakes are of relatively lesser importance......."

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .... W H Y ... ??????????????

White Knight

So the open can finish on Sat or by noon on Sun. :roll:

I dont get it, who is putting on theses trials and for whom.

:?:

 

[Steve Amrein]

I guess what I meant to say is we (the amatuers) spend 4 days putting on a 3 day trial plus the time spent before the trial. the pros show up with 10 -25 dogs each and are catered to all weekend on when they run and where each stake waiting on dogs from them. At the end of the day on sat. the am finishes last and was rushed the whole time finishing the trial. So while the judges are doing placements in the dark and the few that were in the last series along with the folks that volantered days to put the trial on the pros that get paid to run dogs are long gone and maybe already home. For the open to get the best land and water the most help 3 days and get priority is wrong. I have or have had all my dogs to date with a pro so I am not anti-pro. I just dont get why the rest of the stakes have to suffer for the open. Pro or non pro run dogs. If you enter a dog in the open and the AM and get called back to the land or water blind in the open and then are late for the am or tell the marshall that your dog just did the open land blind and you need to wait until the dog is rested than it is not fair to the other folks who dont and are running in order.