[Robert S. Libberton]

I think it an interesting point of how much a person is willing to spend for a young dog ready to run finish Derbies and Quals and pass in Master. The dog is in the realm of winning a minor or going for a 1 season Master title 6 for 7 or like achievement.

This hypothetical question is for an 18 month old labrador. I know color is a factor and the sex of the animal is a factor but for the question just apply what you would desire to have. The pedigree is strong FC AFC National finalist sire and titled or QAA dam. The question is for an animal with "Good Paper"

The next variable is the quality of the training: the training is well rounded for a young dog, and the dog has no big issues.

 

[lablover]

So many variables here Robert.

Define "started dog".

I'm in this situation right now. I'm below both 30% values on 2 dogs, and questioning 1 carefully. A big difference between 3k, 6k and 10k.

 

[Patrick Johndrow]

So many variables here Robert.

Define "started dog".

Started dog = Knows his name :lol: jk

 

[Robert S. Libberton]

So many variables here Robert.

Define "started dog".

I'm in this situation right now. I'm below both 30% values on 2 dogs, and questioning 1 carefully. A big difference between 3k, 6k and 10k.

Naaaa, you know what a master pasing dog looks like at 18 months, dont chew up the variables, we could go on for days like that.

Started dog = minor's and Masters.

Finished dog = Major's stakes, Master National quality animals.

This will profoundly insult some so dont debate the started dog stuff look harder and what a finishing minors stakes dog and Passing Master's level dog would be worth at 18 months old.

 

[EdA]

I think it an interesting point of how much a person is willing to spend for a young dog ready to run finish Derbies and Quals

This does not fit my profile of "a started dog" which to me implies force fetched and maybe through basics, your description is well beyond that and in today's market the dog you have described (if it is a quality dog) is in the $7500-$15,000 range 8) ......just sayin' and if it was my dog and I liked it I wouldn't sell it for any sane price :shock:

 

[Steve Amrein]

Ithink more of a started dog at less than a year old. I think Ed is very correct in a 18 month old dog from good pedigree tested for early clearances and finished some derbys is going to have a pretty hefty price tag quite past the high end on your pole. then throw in some colors or fluffy coat and if you have to ask a price then chances are you (for sure me) cant afford it.

 

[msdaisey]

If you want a dog running AA stakes, be prepared to pay more than 10K!

Please . . . :roll:

 

[Margo Ellis]

Okay so he miss labeled the dog.... :roll: What would you pay for the dog he discribed?

 

[Brian Cockfield]

I think it an interesting point of how much a person is willing to spend for a young dog ready to run finish Derbies and Quals

This does not fit my profile of "a started dog" which to me implies force fetched and maybe through basics, your description is well beyond that and in today's market the dog you have described (if it is a quality dog) is in the $7500-$15,000 range 8) ......just sayin' and if it was my dog and I liked it I wouldn't sell it for any sane price :shock:

I agree with the good Dr. My description of a started dog is more like Ed's. A dog like you're describing is hard to find. Most people won't sell a dog that can finish minor stakes at 18 months and has no issues. If they do sell, it's usually because someone wants the dog alot more than they do.

 

[D. Johnson]

I would think one that is truly - finishing - Q's at 18 months

Nice pedigree and no issues --

Would start at $12K

Finishing Master at 18 mos. - Start at $5000

 

[thunderdan]

I would think one that is truly - finishing - Q's at 18 months

Nice pedigree and no issues --

Would start at $12K

Finishing Master at 18 mos. - Start at $5000

I would think that a pup that was finishing Q's at 18 months would be one very nice, and expensive dog.

 

[subroc]

I think it an interesting point of how much a person is willing to spend for a young dog ready to run finish Derbies and Quals and pass in Master. The dog is in the realm of winning a minor or going for a 1 season Master title 6 for 7 or like achievement.

Well, I don?t believe in the proof presented by the global warming crowd either. I doubt that a belief that a dog could do these things would be a proof. I expect if you furnished a couple of those derbies and Qs as well as put that master title on in 6 for 7, then you could say it will happen. Everything else is a salesman?s boast.

 

[D. Johnson]

True -- but $15K was the highest poll number -- and the original post says

Finishing the derby and the Q.... 12K is most definiantly the LOW end

 

[Robert S. Libberton]

Well, I don?t believe in the proof presented by the global warming crowd either. I doubt that a belief that a dog could do these things would be a proof. I expect if you furnished a couple of those derbies and Qs as well as put that master title on in 6 for 7, then you could say it will happen. Everything else is a salesman?s boast.

I am not making a sales pitch, I was wondering if anyone had an idea about how someone comes up with a sales price of a dog meeting these qualifications. "The proof is in the pudding" comments are well taken but as someone who enjoys young dog work and likes building foundations on dogs but lacks the funds or time off to circuit at 20 or more events a year the dogs I train dont have the opportunity to see alot of trials.

I asked this question because I am looking at the structure of co-owning a dog with another amateur in the north, I would train the dog to 13 months and send him up north to the co-owner to train and compete with and i'll get him back for my circuit. If the co-owner wanted to buy him out he could have that option but I would rather have a seasonal co-ownership. I dont know if other Amateurs try this but on the face value it would seem to work. any thoughts of other that have tried this.

Before the negative RTF bandwagon hit this thought ponder it and ask yourself if this could really work. I sold a young dog and through the sale forged a friendship with his buyer. The dog I sold won a Qual at 17 months and has a derby 4th. He seems to really excel in his new environment and if my new pup has true ability I would like to offer a best of both worlds option to him. Too cold up north? Its fine in the southwest in the winter but unbearable in the summer. It looks like a win win if both parties are mature and communicate well.

 

[Laranie Labs]

I can definitely appreciate where you're coming from on this one Robert. It is very difficult to do much here in the summer because of the heat. And since i'm not retired with a summer home in Montana, I gotta get it done here.

I think it could work, but I could also see it going very bad as well. Sort of like taking out a loan from your best friend. You might not have a friend in the end.

Not to hijack this thread, but how much of a market is there for a 15k dog? Just curious.

Larry

 

[lablover]

I think there is some market for a 15k dog.
I know where a 10 and 15k dog are now.

I suspect there are many out there that the "public" doesn't hear about.
Pro's selling to old, new, or retired clients, that have the money and don't question the pro's reccommendations.

 

[msdaisey]

There is quite a market for a 15K dog.

I do know of one who is QAA and running AA work that is available for five times that price, and has people waiting in the wings.

It all depends on the training and who has done it.