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Stupid, obtuse, and brutish – John's Request
Lets see, how can I portray examples of stupid, obtuse and brutish as it relates to dog training? Well, I’ll give it try.
Stupid (I assume John you want me to focus on the 1st definition, since that is where you picked the other two items, obtuse and brutish.)
Obtuse
Example: I have trained many dogs over the years. I’ve learned that a high percentage of them can be trained to perform average or above average work based on the tasks being taught. I have also found that success rate of teaching their owners is much lower. Many of them are fairly obtuse when it comes to the training of a dog. I credit much of this to two aspects. 1. We’re not just teaching someone to train a dog. We’re teaching someone to become a teacher, a much different level of education. 2. Some people are obtuse in the differences between teaching an animal and teaching a human. They have difficulties removing the human aspect of their thought processes.
Brutish
Example: In my early years of dog training I paired up with trainers that taught “go as sent” type training. Even on marking setups it was important for the dogs to hold a straight line regardless of them knowing where the mark was or not. In the course of this training a dog would be sent and if it varied off line the training would stop the dog and bring it back and resend it. This would often times be accompanied with great deal of correction. I found this to be brutish in that the dog would often times go through this over and over again until it got the line correct. In my opinion the dogs didn’t understand what was being asked of them, often times were confused and it destroyed confidence and momentum.
So there ya go John, stupid, obtuse and brutish all set to training themes. I haven’t rode a horse in a year or so, you’ll excuse me for being brutish and pointing out that you missed a critical piece of that comment resulting in an incomplete sentence. See if I ever call you an expert again…
/Paul
Ps. And all done with no pictures so the people living in far away lands with slow connectivity can enjoy the post with no delays in loading.
Lets see, how can I portray examples of stupid, obtuse and brutish as it relates to dog training? Well, I’ll give it try.
Stupid (I assume John you want me to focus on the 1st definition, since that is where you picked the other two items, obtuse and brutish.)
Example: I’ve spent the better part of the past 10-15 years in the local retriever club watching new members each year join the club with the intent of training Fido how to retrieve birds. Many of them after the first club event show up with a wide variety of training equipment, leashes, collars, sticks, chains and e-collars. While I often find their intent to be honorable, their approach is often marked by stupidity. When you discuss the proper use of the tools you’ll find that they have really done nothing to educate themselves in the proper use and application of the training tools in use. Even worse they often are not open to help.
Obtuse
The example I provide here will focus mostly on definition 2 as the examples in actual training setups for definition 1 would most likely not be what John is looking for. John you were vague in exactly what you desired.
Example: I have trained many dogs over the years. I’ve learned that a high percentage of them can be trained to perform average or above average work based on the tasks being taught. I have also found that success rate of teaching their owners is much lower. Many of them are fairly obtuse when it comes to the training of a dog. I credit much of this to two aspects. 1. We’re not just teaching someone to train a dog. We’re teaching someone to become a teacher, a much different level of education. 2. Some people are obtuse in the differences between teaching an animal and teaching a human. They have difficulties removing the human aspect of their thought processes.
Brutish
The first example of brutish that came to mind was the incessant practice by some on this board to pick apart grammar and spelling of participants in an effort to divert attention from the lack of solid argument in defense of one’s stance. For example, I could have used John’s original post where he clearly misspelled the word follow. I could have further demonstrated the annoying habit of highlighting, enlarging and changing the color of said word in an effort to brutalize the poster.
Yet this is a training board so lets find a truly dog training related example of brutish.john fallon said:
Example: In my early years of dog training I paired up with trainers that taught “go as sent” type training. Even on marking setups it was important for the dogs to hold a straight line regardless of them knowing where the mark was or not. In the course of this training a dog would be sent and if it varied off line the training would stop the dog and bring it back and resend it. This would often times be accompanied with great deal of correction. I found this to be brutish in that the dog would often times go through this over and over again until it got the line correct. In my opinion the dogs didn’t understand what was being asked of them, often times were confused and it destroyed confidence and momentum.
So there ya go John, stupid, obtuse and brutish all set to training themes. I haven’t rode a horse in a year or so, you’ll excuse me for being brutish and pointing out that you missed a critical piece of that comment resulting in an incomplete sentence. See if I ever call you an expert again…
/Paul
Ps. And all done with no pictures so the people living in far away lands with slow connectivity can enjoy the post with no delays in loading.
