Re: over heated ?
DRAKEHAVEN said:
Sounds like the dog over heated. My opinion. If it was EIC, it would have happened when hunting, not when running a set of pattern blinds.
Every dog that wobbles is not suffering from EIC or CNM :roll:
John
No, of course every wobble isn't EIC, but it's also too easy to say overheating is the answer and EIC is overblown. EIC is a polarizing issue and there's obvious defensiveness on both sides of the table. :roll: :roll:
I'm not saying this case is incontrovertably EIC: I have neither the credentials nor chops to make such a blanket statement (and didn't). But I think it's worth considering. And since neither you nor I are experts, our advice should be taken with a great grain of salt, eh? :wink:
However, I do know that EIC is not a cookbook of symptoms that one checks off and presto, we have a diagnosis. I have seen several affected dogs, two of which were mine back in the late 80's when EIC wasn't yet named (vet school called it "idiopathic metabolic myopathy" which my own vet advised was code-speak for "we have no friggin' idea" :lol: ) when I tried to find out why my first lab was starting to collapse in a very idiosyncratic way when I took her pheasant hunting. Yet I could take her along on a 4 mile run in the state park that abuts my property, and she could go and go and go - and be in better shape than I was at the end. That's not a dog with an "overheating" problem.
(She was bought as a huntin' dawg....no fancy pedigree, so I'm not trying to make a grand statement on that score. Another story for another day, but anecdotally, she was retrospectively diagnosed as an EIC case years later, FWIW.)
I will repeat, it is not a one size fits all diagnosis and different dogs seem to show symptoms in different patterns - part of the mystery and therefore, IMHO, part of the controversy. I don't have an ox to gore other than I do hope that a diagnostic test is on the horizon, much like CNM test available today. While CNM is lethal, and at best, very life limiting, EIC is not (if recognized and handled appropriately). But it does mean the end of a future with the dog in the context that many of members of this forum would define as: competitive prospect, hunting companion, or both. And therefore the loss of emotional and financial investment. For some, this is profound. And I do also hope that EIC can be managed like CNM: ie, that doesn't mean all rush out and spay/neuter. But having the proper knowledge of the DNA linkage, assuming there is one and the research does seem to point that way, that buyers/breeders make
informed and intelligent breeding decisions.
End of story. I don't believe in screaming the sky is falling, but I don't think sticking heads in sand and hoping it just goes away is the answer either. (I spend a lot of my career in mediation and finding the win-win middle, can you tell? :wink: )
But I still maintain that rlittle should bring this to the attention of his vets as a potential differential.
That's all. Peace.
Stuffing the worms back into the can-o'-worms and slamming Pandora's box shut regards, Lydia
