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I am having an issue with my CLM Reese several weeks ago began having diarrhea along with decreased appetite and increased bowel sounds. He was still on Eukanuba Large Breed Puppy. We changed him over to adult food and that "seemed to" resolve the issue. Then about 2 weeks later it was time to give him his Heart worm prevention. He is on Iverheart. After his meal about 15 twenty minutes or so he threw that up. He didn’t have much appetite after that and I honestly thought that was because he had just come inside and he was a little hot. Next day same thing breakfast as usual and vomit 20 minutes later. this went on for 3 or 4 days. So off to the vet we went. We took x-rays to rule out a GI blockage none were found. We were given a bland diet and some zantac that seemed to straighten him out. He was empty so there was no stool sample but I went home and obtained one from his next bowl movement and that’s when I saw the squirmy rice in his stool. We still sent it to the vet to check for other parasites the only one found was tape worm. We were then given tape worm treatment. Taken as prescribed (shortly after a meal) after a week and a half of sifting through poop no worms.... Two days ago I feed him breakfast and gave him his Iverheart (because he never technically got it) again he vomited his breakfast up. So here is my question I have heard that if a dog has heart worms and you give heart worm prevention that that dog can get violently ill.
Is this the case with other parasites such as tapeworms. I have put a call in to my vet and am waiting on a call back but I thought I would check with my friends here maybe some of you have had the same issue. Reese has lost 6-8 pounds and I would really like to get him healthy and back to fighting weight before hunting season.

Tanks for the help
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Okay, Take a deep breath. I have one dog that I have treated many times. I have not seen the tapeworm segments in her stools after treatment, ever. I only know she has a problem when I see the segments in her stool. If it is chronic, then a flea control plan is in order. Tapeworms are less a problem when the fleas are not there to complete the cycle.

Not a Veterinarian, nor did I sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night, but I have had more experience with tapeworms/fleas than I would like to think about.
 

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Well we are flea free as far as I know is it possible he may have gotten them from eating fecies of other dogs that may wander into our yard?
 

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Well we are flea free as far as I know is it possible he may have gotten them from eating fecies of other dogs that may wander into our yard?
 

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Having a kennel tape worms can be a battle. My dogs are on topical flea and tick year round. Frontline Plus. No fleas on these guys. I've just decided to worm every 4-6 months with droncit for the tapes.

From what I understand tape worms don't live off of the host and that's a good thing.

Sounds like you might want to change to a different heartworm preventative???

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No fleas here but rabbit droppings are everywhere. Dogs eat them like M&Ms. My vet says there are are great way to get tapes. I, like Angie, just treat about every 4 to 6 months just because.
 

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I have mine on Iverhart Max Heartworm that also takes care of Tapeworms, have not seen any tapeworms in years, before it was all the time, I also worm with CPP every few months just incase in the summer. I also use Flea/Tick topical.
 

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Could be having a reaction to the heartworm medication? Or just quiendance that he vomits after taking the heartworm pill, maybe try another heartworm pill. They get one type of tapeworms from eating a flea. The flea is a intermedient host for tapeworms.

Tapeworms (Common tapeworms, Dipylidium caninum)


The Common Tapeworm: Dipylidium caninum

Biology of the Parasite

The adult Dipylidium caninum lives in the small intestine of dogs or cats. It is hooked onto the intestinal wall by a structure called a rostellum, which is sort of like a hat with hooks on it. The tapeworm also has six rows of teeth it uses to grab on to the intestinal wall. Most people are confused about the size of a tapeworm because they only see its segments, which are small; the entire tapeworm is usually 6 inches or more.

Once docked like a boat to the host’s intestinal wall, the tapeworm begins to grow a long tail. The tapeworm’s body is basically a head segment to hold on with, a neck, and many tail segments. Each segment making up the tail is like a separate independent body, with an independent digestive system and reproductive tract. The tapeworm absorbs nutrients through its skin as the food being digested by the host flows past it. Older segments are pushed toward the tip of the tail as new segments are produced by the neckpiece. By the time a segment has reached the end of the tail, only the reproductive tract is left. When the segment drops off, it is basically just a sac of tapeworm eggs.
Larval fleas are generally hatching in this vicinity and these larvae are busy grazing on organic debris and flea dirt (the black specks of digested blood shed by adult fleas to nourish their larvae). The flea larvae do not pay close attention to what they eat and innocently consume tapeworm eggs.
As the larval flea progresses in its development, the tapeworm inside it is also progressing in development. By the time the flea is an adult, the tapeworm is ready to infect a dog or cat. The young tapeworm is only infectious to its mammal host at this stage of development. The flea goes about its usual business, namely sucking its host’s blood, when to its horror it is licked away by the host and swallowed.

Inside the host’s stomach, the flea’s body is digested and the young tapeworm is released. It finds a nice spot to attach and the life cycle begins again. It takes 3 weeks from the time the flea is swallowed to the time tapeworm segments appear on the pet’s rear end or stool.

Controlling fleas is essential to prevent recurring infections with this species of tapeworm.

See information on flea control.

Why is it Called a Tapeworm?

This creature gets its name because its segments and body are very flat and look like a piece of tape.

What do they look like?

Inside a pet, the adult tapeworm can be a half a foot long or more. It is made of small segments, each about the size of a grain of rice. The tapeworm’s head hooks onto the pet’s intestine with tiny teeth and the worm absorbs nutrients through its skin. Each segment contains a complete set of organs but as new segments grow in at the neck area and older segments progress to the tip of the tail, the organs disintegrate except for the reproductive organs. When the segment drops off from the tail tip, it is only a sac of eggs.

This segment is white and able to move when it is fresh and, at this time, looks like a grain of white rice. As the segment dries, it looks more like a sesame seed.

Where do they Come from?

There is no other way for a pet to get Dipylidium caninum except from fleas.

Many people who had thought their pet could not possibly have fleas find out about the infestation this way. The tapeworm segment breaks open, releasing its eggs. A larval flea consumes the egg along with the flea dirt that it normally eats. As the larval flea matures, so does the baby tapeworm. When a grooming dog or cat licks the flea and swallows it, the dead flea is digested in the dog’s stomach, releasing the baby tapeworm. The tapeworm is passed to its new home in the dog or cat’s small intestine, where it attaches and lives its life.

This parasite does not harm the pet in any way as there are plenty of nutrients passing by to serve both the host and its tapeworm (tapeworms require very little nutrients.) Still, high performance dogs, who need every calorie working for them, may show a decrease in performance because of a tapeworm infection.

There is another type of tapeworm that may be confused with Dipylidium caninum and that is the Taenia genus of tapeworms. This tapeworm has a segment that looks different and has a different mechanism of infection.

How do you Know if your Pet has them? Why do they Sometimes Fail to Show up in a Fecal Test?

Because the eggs are passed by the pet in packets (segments), they often do not show up on the fecal exam; the packet must break open for the eggs to be seen. Consider that the pet has tapeworms if segments are seen under its tail, around its anus, or on its feces. Segments can be passed in small groups connected to each other, leading the owner to describe a worm that sounds larger than a grain of rice. Tapeworm segments are also quite flat.

Some people will mistake maggots in the stool for tapeworms. Maggots are not seen in freshly passed stool and are not flat.

Can People get them?

Theoretically, yes, people can get them but they must be infected the same way dogs and cats are: by swallowing an infected flea.

How do we Get Rid of Them?

Tapeworms are killed by different medications (one is called praziquantel), which is administered by injection, tablet, or topically. The tapeworm is killed and digested with the pet’s food. It is not passed in the stool later.

Why do some Veterinarians Recommend Two Treatments and others only Recommend One Treatment?

Only one treatment is needed to kill the tapeworms in the body; however, many clinics recommend a second injection in three weeks. The reason for the second injection is this: If the owner finds out at the time of their office visit that they need to control fleas to control tapeworms, they will need at least a month or so to control the fleas.


After the first treatment is given, there is no reason why the pet cannot immediately get reinfected. It probably will reinfect itself at some point. By seeing the animal in three weeks and giving another treatment after the fleas are controlled, there is a good chance that the tapeworms will not be back three weeks later. It takes three weeks from the time the pet swallows the tapeworms to the time segments can be seen by the owner.

On the other hand, who knows when the pet will swallow another infected flea? Our recommendation is that a single treatment be administered whenever segments are seen.

If One Pet Has Tapeworm Segments, can it be Assumed that they all Do?

No, just because one pet in the household has swallowed an infected flea does not mean they all have. Our recommendation is to deworm only the pets who have obvious tapeworms.

Why Might a Pet Continue to get Tapeworm Infections?

While many people would like to blame the medication as ineffective, the truth is that there must be an on-going flea population in the pet’s environment. The key to eradicating Dipylidium caninum is flea control.
 

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Nice post JoAnn! Way to make it easy for everyone.

This dispels my long held belief that eating cat poo with tape worm segs can infect the dog.
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Joann I'm impressed
 

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Thankyou all for you help we are doing a panacur regamin just incase the first dose of meds did not work. As far as the fleas go I have inspected my dog thoroughly and have not found any sing of fleas what so ever. Reese is very social specificaly with my brothers dogs and others so there is a chance he may have come in contact with a flea or two. And I have done some bit of research on "sentanil" brand heart worm preventiv that also prevents other parasites. We are going to try the Iverheart one more time after this round of panacur to see if he will tolerate it especialy since I have 8 month supply left.
 

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